THE BIBLE is the STORY of the PEOPLE of GOD.
IT TELLS the TRUTH, EVEN if the TRUTH is NOT SO GOOD in the EYES of SOME.
But TELLING THE TRUTH DOES NOT MEAN something BAD is being condoned. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO SAY what is NOT NICE so that WE WILL UNDERSTAND REALITY.
The BIBLE is NOT LIKE some other "HOLY BOOK" that is SANITIZED while CLAIMING to be FROM GOD but the "PROPHET" who supposedly REVEALED IT CANNOT be PROVEN to have been SENT BY GOD HIMSELF.
Anyway, as I already said, WE SHOULD READ the BIBLE and LOOK at the CONTEXT.
Let us see the context of this "incest" between LOT and HIS DAUGHTERS?
The IMPORTANT QUESTIONS are:
1. WHY DID IT HAPPEN?
2. WAS IT OUT OF LUST or OUT OF "NECESSITY"?
3. WAS THERE ABUSE?
LET US READ Gen 19:23-25, 30-36.
The sun was just rising over the earth as Lot arrived in Zoar; at the same time the LORD rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah (from the LORD out of heaven).
He overthrew those cities and the whole Plain, together with the inhabitants of the cities and the produce of the soil.
Since Lot was afraid to stay in Zoar, he and his two daughters went up from Zoar and settled in the hill country, where he lived with his two daughters in a cave.
The older one said to the younger: "Our father is getting old, and there is not a man on earth to unite with us as was the custom everywhere.
Come, let us ply our father with wine and then lie with him, that we may have offspring by our father."
So that night they plied their father with wine, and the older one went in and lay with her father; but he was not aware of her lying down or her getting up.
Next day the older one said to the younger: "Last night it was I who lay with my father. Let us ply him with wine again tonight, and then you go in and lie with him, that we may both have offspring by our father."
So that night, too, they plied their father with wine, and then the younger one went in and lay with him; but again he was not aware of her lying down or her getting up.
Thus both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father.
WE SEE from the TEXT that the SCENE is JUST AFTER GOD DESTROYED SODOM and GOMORRAH.
SODOM and GOMORRAH were the ONLY WORLD that the DAUGHTERS of LOT KNEW.
When GOD DESTROYED these CITIES, GOD DESTROYED the ONLY WORLD that THEY KNEW.
THIS is the CONTEXT of the INCEST THEY COMMITTED as TOLD in Gen 19:31.
The VERSE READS"
The older one said to the younger: "Our father is getting old, and THERE IS NOT A MAN ON EARTH to unite with us as was the custom everywhere.
Because of the DESTRUCTION of the ONLY WORLD they KNEW, the DAUGHTERS of LOT THOUGHT that THERE IS NO LONGER ANY OTHER MAN on EARTH to GIVE THEM CHILDREN.
For them, the SITUATION was already HOPELESS.
So, THEY DID WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS BEST. THAT is WHY THEY SAID in Gen 19:32:
Come, let us ply our father with wine and then lie with him, THAT WE MAY HAVE OFFSPRING BY OUR FATHER."
Was it OUT OF LUST?
NO. For the DAUGHTERS OF LOT, it was a matter of SURVIVAL and a NECESSARY THING TO DO so that HUMANITY WOULD CONTINUE.
IT was NOT LIKE what SOME PEOPLE DID. SOME PEOPLE MARRIED and HAD SEX with CHILDREN, as if there were no other WOMEN EXISTED. THIS is INFINITELY WORST than WHAT LOT'S DAUGHTERS DID.
In this case, THERE IS ABUSE. And a CHILD is ABUSED.
In the case of INCEST between LOT and his DAUGHTERS, there was NO ABUSE ... ESPECIALLY since IT WAS NOT LOT (the OLDER PERSON) who INITIATED IT. HE DID NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE of HIS DAUGHTERS.
So, THAT'S THE CONTEXT of this INCEST.
IF THIS KIND OF INCEST HAPPENED TODAY, IT WOULD BE TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
COMPARE that to the PRACTICE of SOME who still MARRY and HAVE SEX with CHILDREN.
Islam: A Pack of White Lies
ReplyDeleteMohammad Asghar
1/4/2012
(A worthy read first published in 2005)
Approximately seven hundred years after Christ’s crucifixion, an illiterate but highly intelligent man by the name of Muhammad, rose from the desert of Arabia to shackle a large number of human beings to a creed he called Islam. Since he lacked the credentials of Moses, who claimed to have talked to Allah, and of Jesus Christ, who claimed he was sired by Allah Himself, Muhammad needed something “unimaginable” to happen to him so that he could set himself above all the so-called prophets of the yore.
An amorous affair afforded him the opportunity to excel the credentials of the previous prophets: After missing the company of his wife for sometime, Muhammad was sleeping one night in the house of his cousin, who was a widow and who lived by herself. When in the morning his Companions wanted to know from him where he had been all night, he came up with the story of the night journey, which could not have been witnessed by any human being, in order to hide his whereabouts from his inquisitors.
None of Muhammad’s acolytes (known as “Companions” to his followers) believed him. To convince them, he made Allah to give him the following revelation:
17:1: “Glory to (Allah) who did take His Servant for a journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless, – in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things)”
His Companions, excepting Abu Bakr, remained unconvinced by the revelation, as it talked only about Muhammad’s so-called journey by night from the Mosque of Mecca to the Farthest Mosque, which, according to the verse, must have existed at an unnamed location in 620 A.D. Abu Bakr came to his rescue and declared that he believed in what he had told them about his journey, thus earning for himself the title of “Siddique” i.e. “the speaker of the truth” from his friend, the Prophet of Islam.
Apart from trying to know something about the purported location and the existence of the Quran’s Farthest Mosque, let us examine briefly the quality of language Allah has used in His above revelation.
Allah used the word “We” in the verse for Himself, knowing well that Emperors and Kings, too, used it for identifying themselves in and before their courts and subjects. When they identified themselves in plural, it was believed to have convinced their audience with the power they carried simultaneously with the power of forgiveness and mercy with which Allah had endowed them. They are known to have remained constant with the use of the word “We” to identify themselves; even in their private lives, they avoided the use of the word “I” during their conversations. This habit of theirs showed constancy not only in the use of their words, but also in their actions.
But adherence to certain principles does not seem to have remained a hallmark of Allah, for, in one sentence of His conversation, He addresses Himself as “We” and in the next, He changes it to “He” thus giving us the impression that there are two Allahs- one, who, as stated in the above verse, blessed the precincts of the Farthest Mosque; the other, who hears and sees everything humans do in their lives.
Scholars, irrespective of their religious affiliations and geographical locations, have never questioned the quality of language using which, Allah has spoken to the Muslims through the Quran. On the other hand, the same scholars have chastised many among them, who, they thought, had violated their well formulated linguistic norms, which all of them are required to follow, while expressing themselves through their speeches and writings. This attitude of theirs is hypocritical, to put it mildly. They need to change it, if they wish to bring credibility to themselves as well as to what they say and write in their treatises and books.
to be continued....
better do not hide by name of a coward Mr Anonymous.
DeleteThe Quran infers and Muslim scholars take this inference to mean that Muhammad had traveled to the Masjid-ul-Aqsa (literal meaning of the words “Furthest Mosque”), which was supposed be located where its namesake stands today in Jerusalem , on the back of an animal that wore the face of a beautiful woman. Here, he is reported to have led all the prophets of the past into a congregational prayer. Without explaining why this animal had a woman’s face, they insist that their Prophet had ridden it through all the seven heavens without a saddle and rein (see Jami’s original fifteenth century painting preserved in the British Museum ).
ReplyDeleteMuhammad’s ability to ride on the back of an animal without a saddle and rein, and then to gallop through the vast expanse of the space, makes him an exceptional rider of the world. It was only he who could have performed this extraordinary and unheard of feat; others attempting it would have slipped off from the back of their rides, and become forever a part of our universe’s gravitational activities.
Abdullah Yusuf Ali had to say the following on this issue: “The Farthest Mosque must refer to the site of the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem on the hill of Moriah, at or near which stands the Dome of the Rock, called also the Mosque of Hadhrat Umar. This and the Mosque known as the Farthest Mosque (Masjid-ul-Aqsa) were completed by the Amir “And-ul-Malik in A. H. 68.”” (The Holy Quran, Vol. 1, p. 693).
Other sources also tell us almost an identical story: That the Dome of the Rock, also known as “Qubbat As-Sakhra” in Arabic, came into being between 687 and 691 A.D. through the initiatives of Caliph Abd-ul- Malik.
From the above historical references, it becomes crystal clear that at the time, Muslims believe, Muhammad had landed in Jerusalem on his way to the 7th heaven, there existed no mosque on the hill of Moriah. It could not have existed there then, because in 620 A.D., Islam was still in its cradle; its tranquilizing fangs still remaining un-developed and the sword it needed to expand its influence throughout the earth still sheathed.
The truth being the above, Muslims need to ask themselves: Why the Quran says that there existed a mosque in Jerusalem in 620 A.D., when there was no possibility for one to be built, and maintained, by the Muslims on the soil of a Jew-dominated land?
The truth lies in the fact that Muhammad had never traveled to Jerusalem on the back of a woman, having the body of a horse; that he never ascended to the seventh heaven corporeally and that he made up the story of a mysterious journey to fool his Companions on the question they had raised on his whereabouts during the night he was spending in the company of his cousin, Umm Hani. This was the greatest lie ever spoken by a man; without it, Islam would have died its natural death a long, long time ago. And without Islam, the earth would have remained much better a place for all humans to live together in peace and harmony.
from ff.org
BENMFMNT,
ReplyDeleteI JUST QUOTE IT FROM
www.faithfreedom.org
,where most of contributers of its site are former
muslim ,there , people were very brave to challenge and exposed the the true
colors of koran ,,,, Mr. Ali Sina is a hero to almost ex,muslim.
if you want read his book and send him
an email on that web site.
many anti islamic sites now , are ex-muslim , WHY, why, why ,
,cause , they read the koran.
anony SAB
@Anony,
ReplyDeleteok. no prob.
but, are they sure that they read the REAL Qur'an?
how i wish he (Ali Sina) will face the owner of www.answering-christianity.com
Good day, Anony.
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@Cenon,
Technically, it is safe to say that Bible teaches incest in whatever situation may call.
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I'M SORRY but "to say that Bible teaches incest in whatever situation may call" is a GROSSLY WRONG STATEMENT.
DeleteThe INCEST committed by the DAUGHTERS of LOT were DUE TO A WRONG ASSUMPTION: That THERE WERE NO OTHER MEN in the WORLD.
THAT is the ONLY SITUATION where this INCEST TOOK PLACE. It was NOT "in whatever situation may call."
So, even your ASSUMPTION regarding their SITUATION is WRONG.
The SIMPLE TRUTH is THE BIBLE DOES NOT TEACH INCEST. IT ONLY REPORTED the MISUNDERSTANDING of the DAUGHTERS of LOT.
WHY WOULD YOU or ANYONE ELSE try to PROMOTE MISUNDERSTANDING as a BASIS for INCEST?
the real quran is more out of context and misguided , do you know the original that was still in YEMEM ,
ReplyDeletethat fulls of contradictions.
one of contributor of wikiislam.net is a german guy who made a microfilm research and translate the original quran from yemem.,,what he found thousands of contradictions
go to answering islam .com if you want to know more and ask bro cenon
and to show where in the quran that mohammad talk to your allah.
anonyTAM
All lies.
ReplyDeleteWho among you is brave enough to answer me here? WHO?
Here: http://defenderben.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/what-is-the-punishment-for-rape-in-christianity-and-in-islam/
Please post your questions here and we will answer them all?
DeleteYou are afraid to post here because you CANNOT ERASE the ANSWERS similar to what you do in your blog.
Are you brave enough to post your questions and claims here so that we can answer them point blank?
in islam countries rape is part of
ReplyDeletethier stratigy to force to convert
the victims specially on minorities.
if you want me to copy paste iwill
show to you ... or visit this site
www.thereligionofpeace.com
TY anonymous SAB