PURIHIN ang DIYOS!
Isang PILANTORPONG MUSLIM ang NAG-KATOLIKO matapos PAG-ARALAN at MAKITA ang KATOTOHANAN at KAGANDAHAN ng PANANAMPALATAYANG KATOLIKO.
ISA LANG si ILYAS KHAN--isang BRITON, MAY-ARI ng ACCRINGTON STANLEY SOCCER TEAM, at PINUNO ng KILALANG BRITISH CHARITY na LEONARD CHESHIRE DISABILITY--sa MARAMING NAG-IISIP na MUSLIM na NAG-KATOLIKO.
Basahin ang KWENTO ng PAGPASOK ni KHAN sa SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO sa INTERVIEW sa KANYA ng NATIONAL CATHOLIC REGISTER. Ang pamagat ng ARTIKULO ay "A Muslim Finds the Catholic Faith … Through Geography and Theology"
MAKIKITA po NATIN ang KABALIKTARAN kung BAKIT NAGMU-MUSLIM ang MARAMING KATOLIKO: Dahil NANIWALA sa PANINIRA sa BIBLIYA o NANGAILANGAN ng PERA o ng PROTEKSYON para HINDI ABUSUHIN ng mga EMPLOYER NILA sa MIDDLE EAST.
BASAHIN po NATIN ang KWENTO ni ILYAS KHAN at TINGNAN NATIN ang KAIBAHAN ng PAGLILIPAT-LIPAT ng RELIHIYON.
PURIHIN ang DIYOS!
sana bro cenon , marami pang tao na gaya ni mr.ilyas khan,,,,
ReplyDeletesayang yong mga talino ng mga balik islam at ibang muslim na orig sinasayanglang nila ang talent nila na ibinigay ng dios , sana ay magiging fair sila sa pagbabasa sa tamang context at logic ,,,,
yong sinabi ni mr Khan na JESUS IS LOVE ,,, SA MUSLIM WALA YAN ,
PATAY , PUTOL ANG DALIRI AT KAMAY,TO BIT YOUR WIFE, DECEPTION AT TAQIYA,
TO KILL AND TO RECEIVE 72 VIRGENS ,
MERON PA LOVE DAW ITO --TO MARRY 6 YEARS OLD.
YANLANG BRO.
ANONYMOUSSAB
Thanks for the link... yes, bro Ilyas said it right, that apostasy in Islam is punishable by DEATH, and it's a reality than theoretical he said.
ReplyDeleteAnd brother Ilyas Khan is very prudent in his conversion story without offending his first religion.
That's the real conversion story not so much on "demonizing" their former religion... those who converted to Islam (from Catholicism) obviously were bitter that they did not know their Catholic faith... why blame the whole Church of their own misgivings!!!
Just last week, April 13, a friend of mine sent story from a place called Souq Waqif in Doha Qatar saying that Filipino converts merged in places where Filipino migrants come together during their off. They have vans, showing the video of a certain Indian apologist and these Filipinos were quoting daw Biblical verse where Jesus said "My God, My God why have you forsaken me"...
My friend said it's happening in many places, and he cannot do anything to confront them because Islamic states are not NEUTRAL on this! It's the fertile ground for converts to become extremists..
Said my friend, kung sa Pinas lang yan sasagutin ko siya sa gitna ng maraming tao!!!
maybe he (ILYAS KHAN) embrace Christianity because for him, regarding the age of Jehoiachim when he (Jehoiachim) begun to rule in Jerusalem, he (ILYAS KHAN) believe that age 8 is just equal to age 18 as is read in Book of Contradictions (Bible). Haha. Illogical people.
ReplyDeleteMUSLIMS become CATHOLIC because THEY UNDERSTAND. THEY DON'T BELIEVE LIES and MISCONCEPTIONS LIKE the ONE YOU MENTIONED.
ReplyDeleteI ALREADY ANSWERED YOUR BLACK PROPAGANDA and YOU FAILED to DENY or REFUTE MY RESPONSE.
I ALSO ISSUED a CHALLENGE which YOU DELIBERATELY RAN AWAY FROM.
Just SHOWS how MISLED CHRISTIANS who TURN TO ISLAM ARE.
Who is running away from? Who? Who, Cenon? Tell me who?
ReplyDeleteLet us see if you will NOT RUN.
How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
A) Three thousand six hundred
~(2 Chronicles 2:2)
B) Three thousand three hundred
~(I Kings 5:16)
CHALLENGE: PROVED to me that 3,600 = 3,300.
I do NOT have any black propaganda. Ikaw meron. Klaro masyado.
IF you CANNOT PROVED it, do not boast anything to me. OK. You are making yourself a stupid.
btw, here are some former priest who embraced Islam.
1) Al-Haj Ibrahim Khalil Ahmad
See: http://www.islamicbulletin.com/newsletters/issue_9/embraced.aspx
2) David Benjamin Keldani
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Benjamin_Keldani
^_*
ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE.
DeleteIF YOU BELIEVE THAT ALL OF YOUR CLAIMS are TRUE, then ACCEPT that IF I PROVE ONE OF THEM AS FALSE the ALL OF THEM ARE FALSE.
ACCEPT, ACCEPT, ACCEPT.
WHY ARE YOU RUNNING AWAY FROM MY CHALLENGE?
BECAUSE YOU KNOW that YOU WERE FOOLED by the SAME FALSE CLAIMS.
YOU ARE ONLY PROVING that YOU CANNOT RELY on the CLAIMS that YOU ARE MAKING.
SO SAD.
+++
DEFENDERBEN (ISLAMIC DEFENDER) SAID:
btw, here are some former priest who embraced Islam.
1) Al-Haj Ibrahim Khalil Ahmad
See: http://www.islamicbulletin.com/newsletters/issue_9/embraced.aspx
2) David Benjamin Keldani
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Benjamin_Keldani
CENON BIBE:
So? CAN THOSE FORMER PRIESTS ANSWER MY CHALLENGES?
WHO AMONG THEM CAN POINT to ONE WORD in the QURAN the GOD HIMSELF SPOKE TO YOUR PROPHET?
WHO AMONG THOSE SUPPOSED FORMER PRIESTS CAN PROVE that GOD HIMSELF APPOINTED MUHAMMAD as HIS PROPHET?
WHO AMONG THOSE ISLAMIC REVERTS CAN PROVE that AN ANGEL INDEED REVEALED the QURAN to MUHAMMAD?
Or ARE THEY AS CLUELESS as YOU ABOUT YOUR RELIGION?
KUNG MAGYAYABANG KA, BEN, TIYAKIN MO na MAY IPAGYAYABANG KA.
KUNG PAREHO MO LANG na HINDI MAKAKASAGOT ang mga IPINAGYAYABANG MO e HUWAG MO NANG BANGGITIN. PATI SILA MAPAPAHIYA.
I have a lot of that here:
ReplyDeletehttps://defenderben.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/101/
Like:
1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand(2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
PILI-PILI nalang ha.
PAYAG KA na KAPAG NAPATUNAYAN KONG MALI ang ISA SA MGA IYAN ay MALI NA ang LAHAT ng IYAN?
DeleteSAGOT KA.
BAKIT TAKOT KANG TANGGAPIN ang HAMON KO?
KASI ALAM MONG KAPAG INISA-ISA KO ang mga IYAN ay MAPATUTUNAYAN na MALI at PANINIRA LANG ang mga SINABI MO.
PAPAGURIN MO LANG AKO e.
ACCEPT MAY CHALLENGE para MATAPOS NA ITONG USAPAN NATIN.
DARE!
11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
ReplyDeleteOne thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
13. In what year of King Asa’s reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 – 16:8)
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?
Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)
17. How many were the children of Zattu?
Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)
18. How many were the children of Azgad?
One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)
19. How many were the children of Adin?
Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)
20. How many were the children of Hashum?
Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)
21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)
22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
29,818 (Ezra)
31,089 (Nehemiah)
23. How many singers accompanied the assembly?
Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)
24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?
Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)
25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
No (Joshua 15:63)
26. Who was the father of Jose
PAYAG KA na KAPAG NAPATUNAYAN KONG MALI ang ISA SA MGA IYAN ay MALI NA ang LAHAT ng IYAN?
DeleteSAGOT KA.
BAKIT TAKOT KANG TANGGAPIN ang HAMON KO?
KASI ALAM MONG KAPAG INISA-ISA KO ang mga IYAN ay MAPATUTUNAYAN na MALI at PANINIRA LANG ang mga SINABI MO.
PAPAGURIN MO LANG AKO e.
ACCEPT MAY CHALLENGE para MATAPOS NA ITONG USAPAN NATIN.
DARE!
all muslims are the same attitude.they all inconsistent in the way there speak.wag muna pansinin yan Mr. Cenon.hanggang copy paste lng yn sa website
Delete26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
ReplyDeleteJacob (Matthew 1:16)
Hell (Luke 3:23)
27. Jesus descended from which son of David?
Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
Nathan(Luke3:31)
28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?
Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
Neri (Luke 3:27)
29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.
30. Who was the father of Uzziah?
Joram (Matthew 1:8)
Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)
31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?
Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)
32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?
Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)
33. Who was the father of Shelah?
Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)
34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
No (John 1:19-21)
35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?
Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)
36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?
One – a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
Two – a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.
37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)
38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)
39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?
Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.
40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
Yes (Mark 6:8)
No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)
PAYAG KA na KAPAG NAPATUNAYAN KONG MALI ang ISA SA MGA IYAN ay MALI NA ang LAHAT ng IYAN?
DeleteSAGOT KA.
BAKIT TAKOT KANG TANGGAPIN ang HAMON KO?
KASI ALAM MONG KAPAG INISA-ISA KO ang mga IYAN ay MAPATUTUNAYAN na MALI at PANINIRA LANG ang mga SINABI MO.
PAPAGURIN MO LANG AKO e.
ACCEPT MAY CHALLENGE para MATAPOS NA ITONG USAPAN NATIN.
DARE!
41. Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
ReplyDeleteYes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
No (Luke 9:9)
42. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?
Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
No (John 1:32,33)
43. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?
Yes (John 1:32, 33)
No (Matthew 11:2)
44. According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)
Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14)
45. When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
Yes (Matthew 21:12)
No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17)
46. The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?
Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)
47. Did Judas kiss Jesus?
Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)
48. What did Jesus say about Peters denial?
The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times (John 13:38)
Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.
49. Did Jesus bear his own cross?
Yes (John 19:17)
No (Matthew 27:31-32)
50. Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?
Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38)
No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)
51. Did Jesus say anything secretly?
No. I have said nothing secretly (John 18:20)
Yes. He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him Why do you speak to them in parables? He said, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)
52. Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
On the cross (Mark 15:23)
In Pilates court (John 19:14)
53. The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?
Yes (Mark 15:32)
No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)
54. Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?
Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, Today you will be with me in Paradise (Luke 23:43)
No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, I have not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17)
55. When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?
Yes (Acts9:7)
No (Acts22:9)
Another priest embraced Islam:
3) Idris Tawfiq / http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-12447396
OK? Pili-pili nalang...
PAYAG KA na KAPAG NAPATUNAYAN KONG MALI ang ISA SA MGA IYAN ay MALI NA ang LAHAT ng IYAN?
DeleteSAGOT KA.
BAKIT TAKOT KANG TANGGAPIN ang HAMON KO?
KASI ALAM MONG KAPAG INISA-ISA KO ang mga IYAN ay MAPATUTUNAYAN na MALI at PANINIRA LANG ang mga SINABI MO.
PAPAGURIN MO LANG AKO e.
ACCEPT MAY CHALLENGE para MATAPOS NA ITONG USAPAN NATIN.
DARE!
DEFENDERBEN (ISLAMIC DEFENDER) SAID:
DeleteAnother priest embraced Islam:
3) Idris Tawfiq / http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-12447396
CENON BIBE:
ASK HIM to ANSWER the QUESTIONS that YOU CANNOT ANSWER.
I AM SURE, ALL CATHOLICS WHO BECAME MUSLIM are ALL IGNORANT of the RELIGION that THEY EMBRACED.
NOT ONE of THOSE WHO TURNED THEIR BACKS on the ONE, TRUE RELIGION can PROVE that ISLAM was FOUNDED BY GOD HIMSELF.
NOT ONE of FORMER PRIESTS CAN PROVE that GOD HIMSELF APPOINTED MUHAMMAD as HIS PROPHET.
NOT ONE of the FORMER CATHOLICS CAN POINT to ONE WORD in the QURAN that GOD HIMSELF TOLD YOUR PROPHET.
AYAW KO SANANG IGIIT ang KAHIHIYAN NINYONG MGA BALIK ISLAM pero NAGYAYABANG KA e.
SORRY HA.
Volume 9, Book 89, Number 271:
ReplyDeleteNarrated Abu Musa:
A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle.
WOW! ALL-MERCIFUL BA ang KINIKILALA NINYONG DIYOS?
DeleteBAWAL na PALA PUMILI ng RELIHIYON NGAYON. BAWAL NA ang FREE WILL.
SAPILITAN NA ang PAGIGING MUSLIM, TAMA?
KONTRA-KONTRA na naman YAN sa SINASABI ng QURAN.
QURAN 2:256
There is no compulsion in religion.
E AYON sa HADITH NINYO ay MAY COMPULSION PALA e.
KONTRA-KONTRA.
BUTI NA LANG ay IKAW NA ang NAGPAKITA ng KONTRAHAN ng HADITH at QURAN.
SALAMAT.
SORRY na rin dahil IPINAKITA MO LANG kung BAKIT KAILANGANG TANGGAPIN MO ang mga KASINUNGALINGAN LABAN sa BIBLIYA.
PATAY KA KASI kapag TUMALIKOD KA PA RIYAN.
ETO pa ang CONTRADICTION sa QURAN 2:256:
QURAN 4:89
They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.
KAWAWA KA NAMAN. HINDI KA NA MAKAKAALIS sa CONTRADICTIONS na PINASOK MO.
IKAW KASI, HINDI KA MUNA NAG-ISIP e.
"Invite (mankind, O Muhammad SAW) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Quran) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided. ~ Noble Qur'an 16:125"
ReplyDeleteOiy, matagal na kitang hinahamon tungkol dyan. Gumawa ka ng new post. para lang sa ating dalawa exclusively, about Bible Contradictions. Here in your own site. Email me if naka-post ka na.
THIS WILL BE NICE, CENON. JUST BETWEEN US TWO.
IT WILL REALLY BE NICE.
DeleteSo, ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE that IF I PROVE ONE OF YOUR ACCUSATIONS AS FALSE then ALL YOUR ACCUSATIONS ARE FALSE.
IF I FAIL TO PROVE EVEN ONE AS FALSE then YOU ARE RIGHT in ALL OF YOUR CLAIMS.
WOULDN'T YOU LIKE THAT?
OKAY?
So, TATANGGAPIN MO NA ang HAMON KO na KAPAG NAPATUNAYAN KONG MALI ang ISA sa mga AKUSASYON MO ay MALI NA LAHAT ng SINASABI MONG KONTRADISKYON?
ReplyDeleteBAKIT TAKOT KANG TUMANGGAP ng HAMON na IYAN?
HUWAG KANG MATAKOT. HINDI KAMI MABABANGIS na TAO. USAPANG MAGINOO LANG.
KUNG HINDI MO TATANGGAPIN ang HAMON KO ay LALABAS na NATAKOT KA at TUMAKBO.
HINDI MO KAYANG PATUNAYAN ang MGA BINTANG MO.
Hamon? Go to my site.
ReplyDeleteRead this too.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/death.htm
WHY ARE YOU CHANGING THE TOPIC?
DeleteHINDI MO MATANGGAP na MALI ANG LAHAT ng MGA BINTANG MO, di ba?
It figures.
Anyway, YOU NOW KNOW that ALL YOUR CLAIMS are FALSE.
YOU ARE JUST SO PROUD to ACCEPT that TRUTH.
Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: LET US GO AND WORSHIP OTHER GODS (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. SHOW HIM NO PITY. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly PUT HIM TO DEATH. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."
ReplyDeleteAlso let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."
2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, WERE TO BE PUT TO DEATH, whether small or great, man or woman."
Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
3 Jesus replied, "AND WHY DO YOU BREAK THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and ANYONE WHO CURSES HIS FATHER OR MOTHER MUST BE PUT TO DEATH'
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,'
6 he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 " '[[These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me]].
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"
There are few points to notice here:
1- Notice in verse 3, Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for breaking the Commands of GOD Almighty.
2- In verse 4, he used the cursing of parents' punishment as an example. The context, however, is not limited to just this example!
3- In verses 7,8 and 9, he used a quote from the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament, to further prove that they are not following the Commands of GOD Almighty.
4- Jesus clearly had a problem with them not following the punishment of death for cursing the parents or any punishment of death that is commanded in the OT for this matter! In fact, Jesus himself said:
"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"
"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3)"
This clearly means:
1- Jesus absolutely approved and commanded the following of the OT's Laws regarding apostates!
2- The fact he commanded death penalty for cursing the parents clearly proves that he also approves of killing apostates as clearly shown in the OT verses above!
IS THIS a RESPONSE to THE CONTRADICTION BETWEEN QURAN 2:256 ("There is no compulsion in religion") and QURAN 4:89 ("if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them")?
DeleteAre you saying that the QURAN COPIED the ORDER to KILL APOSTATES from the VERSES that YOU CITED?
Anyway, WHERE DOES IT SAY in MATTHEW 15:1-9 that APOSTATES SHOULD BE KILLED?
The CONTEXT of the TEXT is ABOUT HONORING ONE'S MOTHER and FATHER. IT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT APOSTASY.
YOU HAVE OVEREXTENDED the MEANING of the VERSE to INCLUDE SOMETHING that IT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT.
I hope that is not an ACT OF DESPERATION.
Unlike ISLAM, the LORD JESUS NEVER ORDERED ANYONE KILLED for EXERCISING HIS FREE WILL to CHOOSE HIS RELIGION.
Therefore, BOTH YOUR CONCLUSIONS are WRONG.
YOU HAVE NOT REFUTED the CONTRADICTION in QURAN 2:256 and QURAN 4:89.