MUSLIM:
Following are many proofs, from the Bible, and Books of the Apostles, that "the son of God" is given to show one's honor. reverence, high position and love (because of his believing in God). These proofs are evidence to the fact that blood relation, or begetting, are not meant by the above term. All praise is to God whom the disbelievers Falsely Describe.
Satan repeatedly says, "If thou be the son of God...", this means "honorary son of God." Jesus said to his Disciples: (Pray for them which despitefully use you. and persecute you. That ye may be the children of you father which is in heaven). Matt. 5:44-45. He also said: ( But thou, when thou hast shut thy door, pray to the Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in the secret shall reward thee openly). Matt 6:6.
CENON BIBE:
WHERE does it SAY in the verse (Matthew 4:3) that the term "son of God" is equivalent to "honorary son of God"?
Our MUSLIM REACTOR is ADDING THINGS to what the BIBLE is CLEARLY SAYING: That JESUS is TRULY the SON of GOD.
The MUSLIM REACTOR seems IGNORANT of the CONTEXT of the verse and of the devil's statement.
Why was the devil trying to test the TRUTH that JESUS is INDEED the SON OF GOD?
If we read back to the Third Chapter of Matthew, we will see in Mt 3:17 that GOD HIMSELF has SAID that JESUS is His "BELOVED SON."
So, in the following chapter, in Mt4:3, we see the DEVIL CONTESTING what GOD had just PROCLAIMED.
In the same way that our MUSLIM REACTOR DOES NOT BELIEVE that JESUS is TRULY the SON OF GOD, the DEVIL is also INSISTING on HIS DISBELIEF. The DEVil was even trying to DISPROVE the TRUE SONSHIP of JESUS.
Thus, in Mt4:3 we see that THOSE who DISPUTE or DISBELIEVE that JESUS is TRULY the SON OF GOD is only REPEATING the DISBELIEF of the DEVIL.
Also, those who DO NOT BELIEVE that JESUS is THE SON of GOD are trying to show that GOD is a LIAR.
GOD HIMSELF has just said that JESUS is HIS BELOVED SON and yet HERE is the DEVIL saying that GOD LIED as shown by his QUESTIONING or DOUBTING the DIVINE SONSHIP of CHRIST.
To say that JESUS is NOT the TRUE SON OF GOD is to MAKE GOD a LIAR.
MUSLIM:
The above meaning is repeated many times in the words that are attributed to Jesus. All these text mean that "the Father" is the one who teaches, guide and protects His believing slaves. They do not mean FatherHood in the manner of blood relation. Allah is praised in that this is not true of Him.
CENON BIBE:
Our MUSLIM REACTOR is PROVING here that THEIR GOD, ALLAH, IS NOT the GOD being REFERRED TO by JESUS.
He is saying that THEIR ALLAH is NOT the FATHER of JESUS, whereas the FATHER of JESUS HIMSELF IS TELLING US that JESUS is INDEED HIS OWN SON.
The CLAIMS of the MUSLIM REACTOR HAS NO BASIS IN FACT. He is only MAKING IT UP.
MUSLIM:
5. Satan said to Jesus: (If thou be the son of God, cast thy self down: for it is written He shall give his angels thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against the stone. Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the lord thy God). Matt 4:6-7
CENON BIBE:
This verse DOES NOT DISPROVE that JESUS is GOD. In fact, IT EVEN PROVES that the CHRIST is GOD.
WHO is BEING TEMPTED by the DEVIL in Mt4:6-7? Was the devil TEMPTING GOD THE FATHER or JESUS?
The devil was TEMPTING JESUS to "cast [him]self down."
What did Jesus say in reply?
The LORD JESUS said, "Thou shalt NOT TEMPT the LORD, THY GOD."
The response of JESUS is clear: He was telling the devil that HE [JESUS] was GOD and that the devil should not TEMPT GOD [JESUS].
GOD is PRAISED by THOSE WHO BELIEVE that JESUS IS GOD.
MUSLIM:
In the above text, Jesus confirms what God said concerning him, which Satan quoted. If Jesus, himself, is meant by what God said, then how can he be God, or the son of God, as the Christians claim?
CENON BIBE:
How can the SON of GOD be GOD?
It is OBVIOUS. The SON of a MAN is ALSO a MAN.
So, WHAT is the NATURE of THE SON of GOD?
The SON of GOD is ALSO GOD.
The CHRISTIAN BELIEF is TRUE and CORRECT.
MUSLIM:
They claim that Jesus' actions and attributes are those of God. How, then can Satan say to Jesus; (And He shall give his angels charge concerning you?) Does God need to be taken care of and protected by the angels, so that his feet will not be dashed against the stone? (The One True God) Is not the one who needs protection, from falling down, of the angels, but a slave, powerless, humble and in Need?
CENON BIBE:
DID JESUS PLAY ALONG with what the devil was telling Him? Or did JESUS TELL the devil NOT TO TEMPT HIM who is GOD?
JESUS is GOD so HE DID NOT NEED the PROTECTION of ANGELS. So, instead of casting Himself down as insisted by the devil, JESUS REITERATED HIS GODSHIP by telling the devil that he should not tempt GOD.
MUSLIM:
6. Jesus said to Satan: (It is written again, thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.) This text is one of the major proof that Jesus believed that God or Allah is the Lord and God.
CENON BIBE:
Again, ALLAH is NOT MENTIONED in this VERSE (nor in ANY VERSE in the BIBLE). Our MUSLIM REACTOR SHOULD STOP ADDING WORDS or PERSONALITIES in the TEXTS.
It is appearing that our MUSLIM REACTOR is TWISTING and DISTORTING VERSES in an attempt to SHOW ILLUSIONS or NON-FACTUAL ACCOUNTS.
He should STOP doing that. It is NOT HONEST.
I'm SORRY to sound BLUNT but we should always be TRUTHFUL.
MUSLIM:
Jesus did not want to tempt his Lord, to see if God could help him. If Jesus was God, then, who is he going to tempt? Is he tempting his Father, to know if He is going to protect him from stone? Is he tempting himself, to see if he can protect himself if he fell from the top of the temple? Truly, the worst kind of Minds are those that read but do not Comprehend.
CENON BIBE:
That SHOWS and PROVES that when Jesus said "Thou shalt not put the LORD, THY GOD, to the TEST" HE was NOT REFERRING to HIS FATHER as the one to be tempted. HE WAS REFERRING TO HIMSELF.
If Jesus was referring to the GOD THE FATHER, He should have told the devil that "I will not put the LORD, MY GOD, to the test." But Jesus DID NOT SAY THAT.
Instead, WHAT DID HE SAY?
HE TOLD the DEVIL to "NOT PUT THE LORD, THY GOD, to the test."
Jesus was telling the DEVIL NOT to TEMPT HIM because HE WAS HIMSELF GOD.
MUSLIM:
The above is clear evidence that Jesus confirms that Allah or God alone, is the Lord and God, the One who has All Power and Ability, not Jesus.
CENON BIBE:
Again, the MUSLIM REACTOR is MAKING CONCLUSIONS that ARE NOT IN THE TEXT.
Again, ALLAH is NOT MENTIONED in the VERSE. ALLAH is NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE in the BIBLE. Therefore, IT IS WRONG to CLAIM that Jesus is "confirming that Allah" is the Lord and God.
The ONE, TRUE GOD is the FATHER (Jn17:3). And since JESUS is HIS TRUE SON (Mt3:17, 17:5), JESUS is also TRUE GOD. A MANGO tree will NOT bear an APPLE. As a CARABAO will NOT bear a DOG.
Therefore, GOD will NOT bear a SON who is NOT HIMSELF GOD.
Cenon Bibe;
ReplyDeleteThe ONE, TRUE GOD is the FATHER (Jn17:3). And since JESUS is HIS TRUE SON (Mt3:17, 17:5), JESUS is also TRUE GOD> A MANGO tree will NOT bear an APPLE. As a CARABAO will NOT bear a DOG.
Reactor:
Jesus is also true God? You just mention and confirmed from the bible that there is only ONE TRUE GOD as clearly stated at John 17:3 and as also part of Jesus teaching! You did CONFIRMED that verse didn't you? For how could Jesus be a true God when his Mother is not God? Are you completely INSANE? What you are introducing us here is NOT the ONE TRUE GOD but a MUTANT god! You are twisting the TRUTH about Jesus and about the ONE TRUE GOD shame on you!
About Jesus being the son of God, Son or Begotten Son term is not just exclusively for Jesus!
ReplyDeleteAs for the Sonship of Jesus; Cenon Bibe present Matt. 3:17, 17:5
Versus! Versus!
The Sonship of David; the Reactor present Psalms 2:7 & I quote verse 7: "I will declare the decree; the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my SON; this day have I begotten thee."
Can a begotten be TWO? does most of the Christians truly UNDERSTAND the WORD Begotten in their Bible?
Proof from the Bible that God is God and could NOT be a Man as Christian claimed that Jesus is god:
Herein some few of the many Proofs from the Bible;
Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed"
Numbers 23:19 "God is not a Man, that he should lie; neither the Son of Man, that he should repent: hath He said and shall He not do it? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?"
Job 25:4-6 "verse 4; How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman? verse 5; Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight. verse 6; How much less man, that is a worm? and the Son of Man, which is a worm?
Those are among the only few from the many verses which proves that God cannot be a Man, God will always be God. For God needs not a Men to be God, but Men and all that God creations needs God in order to survived.
That anyone who have a Nerve and Guts to opposed the above Biblical Verses Presented herein should present their Counter Verses or Biblical Verses which will Directly Contradict the above Verses Presented. And then Prove to me that your Bible has No Single Contradiction therein! Anybody? Just go on and Present your Case!
ReplyDeleteThe Bibles Testimony that Jesus is the Slave-Servant, and Messenger of Allah or God
ReplyDeleteJesus Preaches the Gospel in Nazareth
Luke mentioned that Jesus was baptized by John. He said: (Now when all the people were baptized, it come to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, praying, the heaven was opened, And the holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice come from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am pleased.) Luke 3:21-22
This is only a story and not a Revelation from Allah or God, as is evident. This is not even what Jesus said. Luke, who wrote his Bible, was not even one of Jesus' students. In spite of all this, this text is clear proof that Jesus was but a Messenger of Allah or God receiving Revelations. He was not the Son of God or a divine personality.
1.) Luke mention that Jesus was baptized. God does not get baptized, that is, to be prepared to serve God and worship Him. How can God be baptized? To worship Himself? To worship the Father? To worship his God-like personality? Allah or God is praised that this may not happen of Him.
2.) Luke said of Jesus: (And Praying). God is who people worship. God does not pray to anyone, all praise be to Him.
3.) (The Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove.) This is Evidence that the Holy Ghost is the Angel that Allah or God sends to Prophets with Revelation, and not a God or a divine personality, as Christians claim. This text disproves their claim that God is one in three. If the Holy Ghost, who descended in a shape like dove is part of God, Jesus a second part and God in the heavens is the third part, as the Christians claim, then this will be a total misguidance. There is only One God who is One. Allah or God said, what translated means; (Yet they assign to some of His slaves a share with Him 'by pretending that He has children, and considering them as equals or co-partners in worship with Him.' Verily, man is indeed a manifest ignorant). Q.43:15
How, then, can the Christians claim that they believe in the Oneness of God?
4.) Even if whoever told this story heard the call from heaven: (Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased), still this is no proof that Jesus is God. We praise Allah or God from such a claim. Jews, at the time, used to call God: (Our Father which is in heaven). Jesus himself told the Jews many times: (My Father and your Father). Why not understand that the relation mention here is a relation of mercy, teaching and revelation and not blood relation?
Muslim:
ReplyDeleteMagandang araw po kaibigan at sa mga tagasubaybay sa blog na ito ni Mr. Cenon Bibe; under po sa Pamagat na "Creation Ayon sa isang Muslim" I come across sa sinasabi nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe doon mga kaibigan at nagugulat ako sa mga pinagsasabi nya sa mismong blog nya pa na iisa lamang daw ang alam nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe na paraan sa paglilikha ng Dios ng tao! biroin nyo po yon? kong papaano magkalat ng katanghan itong si Mr. Ceno Bibe sa mismong blog nya? nakakatuwa po! hindi po ba? anong paraan kaya itong alam nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe mga kaibigan ng paglikha ng Dios ng tao? Yon pong sinasabi nyang iisa lang daw po! anong paraan kaya ng nag iisang alam ng paglikha ng Dios sa tao ang alam nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe mga kaibigan?
Ang alam nya kaya ay ang paglikha lamang ng Dios ng tao sa mapapagitan ng Babae at Lalaki? eh bakit? Lingid ba sa kaalaman nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe kong papaano Nilikha ng Dios si Adan? na walang Magulang? o Ama at Ina? si Eve po? hindi po ba alam nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe kong papaano Nilikha ng Dios si Eva? Si Eva po ay nilikha ng Dios sa pamamagitan ni Adan! Hindi po ba nya alam yon? Si Jesus na anak ni Virgin Mary katulad ba ang paglikha nya sa karaniwang tao na katulad natin? hehehehehe! Hindi po at Magkaiba po! Maliwanag po na hindi magkatulad ang paglikha! pero bakit tila nagbulag bulagan at nagbingi bingihan na naman itong si Mr. Cenon Bibe mga kaibigan at tahasang ipinagkakaila ang katotohanan ng ibat ibang paglikha ng Dios sa tao? Ayaw mo ba talaga Mr. Cenon Bibe ng katotohanan?
Nagtatanong lamang po kasi napansin ko na itong si Mr. Cenon Bibe kahit sa sarili nyang blog eh nagkakalat at ipinapakita binabalandra ang kanyang katangahan!
Muslim;
ReplyDeleteMga kaibigan at mga giliw na tagasubaybay sa blog na ito ni Mr. Cenon Bibe isang kapayapaang pagbati po sa inyong lahat, sa pagbisita ko po sa blog na ito ni Mr. Cenon Bibe laking gulat ko po sa mga kumento na nandoon na hindi pa nasagot nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe mga kaibigan! Doon po sa blog na ang title ay "Son of God, ano ang kahulugan" may nagiisang kumento po doon na tila nahihirapan itong si Mr. Cenon Bibe na masagot ang nasabing kumento mga kaibigan at mga giliw na taga subaybay... at dito naman sa blog na ito na ang title "Hesus hindi tunay na anak ng Dios?" mayroon pong (5) limang Kumento na hindi pa po nabibigyan ng kasagotan nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe mga giliw na taga subaybay!
CENON BIBE:
ReplyDeleteHow can the SON of GOD be GOD?
It is OBVIOUS. The SON of a MAN is ALSO a MAN.
So, WHAT is the NATURE of THE SON of GOD?
The SON of GOD is ALSO GOD.
The CHRISTIAN BELIEF is TRUE and CORRECT.
MUSLIM:
OBVIOUS??? ang obvious dito eh si Jesus Son of God and at the same time Son of Man. Tama???
Ang tatay ay Dios ang nanay ay tao,
In conclusion, Half-God Half-Man Agree po ba kayo sa "OBVIOUS" na conclusion ko??? pakisagot lang po salamat!
At heto na naman si muslim na "mga giliw na tagasobaybay" - nagbabalik!
ReplyDeleteWelcome back bro. na-miss namin mga pagmumura mo! hehehehe