Showing posts with label Bible: Bakit may incest?. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Bible: Bakit may incest?. Show all posts
Monday, February 17, 2014
Immorality: In Christianity or Islam? WHO IS THE 'MODEL' FOR CHILD SEX?
SOME MUSLIMS, like Rolan Legarda, accuse the Bible of "teaching" and "promoting" immorality.
THEY ATTACK the BIBLE and CHRISTIANS in an apparent effort to DIVERT ATTENTION from the IMMORALITY in ISLAM.
These MUSLIMS cite verses like GENESIS 19:30-38, where the DAUGHTERS of LOT committed INCEST with HIM.
THEY DISREGARD the CONTEXT of this incident, where the DAUGHTERS of LOT were FORCED to HAVE SEX with their FATHER out of FEAR that HE WAS THE LAST MAN on EARTH. (GENESIS 19:31)
Simply put, GENESIS 19:30-38 DOES NOT TEACH PEOPLE to COMMIT INCEST. It only shows the DESPERATION of LOT'S DAUGHTERS after they saw the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
It also tries to SHOW the ORIGINS of SOME RACES. (GENESIS 19:37-38)
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In other occasions, MUSLIMS who ATTACK the BIBLE cite EZEKIEL 23:2-21, or the STORY of the TWO SISTER-PROSTITUTES.
THEY HIGHLIGHT the "SEXY" language in the text, which MUSLIMS CLAIM "prove" that it is "NOT THE WORD OF GOD."
Sadly, they again IGNORE the CONTEXT of the "SEXY" language.
GOD USED DESCRIPTIVE LANGUAGE to SHOW the GRAVITY of the SIN of ISRAEL and JUDAH, which the TWO SISTER-PROSTITUTES SYMBOLIZE.
For MUSLIMS, to be CALLED or DESCRIBED as a "PROSTITUTE" is "SEXY." But during the time of EZEKIEL, to be a PROSTITUTE was to be among the LOWEST of HUMANITY.
Also, MUSLIMS DISREGARD the PUNISHMENT GIVEN by GOD to the SISTER-PROSTITUTES, which was the POINT of the STORY: INFIDELITY to GOD will NOT GO UNPUNISHED.
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SOME MUSLIMS also cite GAY MARRIAGE, PEDOPHILE PRIESTS, CHILD RAPE and INCEST in SOCIETY as "proof" of CHRISTIAN IMMORALITY.
But ASK THEM to cite ONE CHRISTIAN TEACHING in the BIBLE or the CHURCH that PROMOTES ANY of those and THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE to NAME ONE.
The FACT is CHRISTIANITY and the BIBLE ABHORS or PROHIBITS such ACTS.
In CHRISTIANITY, specifically in CATHOLICISM, THOSE ACTS are considered as SINS or VIOLATIONS of CHURCH TEACHING.
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ONE SURE WAY of COUNTERING MUSLIMS who ATTACK CHRISTIANITY or the BIBLE using DISTORTED VIEWS of BIBLICAL TEXTS is to reFOCUS the SPOTLIGHT on their PROPHET.
While some MUSLIMS CRITICIZE and ATTACK the BIBLE or CHRISTIANS for alleged IMMORALITY, it is THEIR PROPHET who DID SEXUAL ACTS that MOST CIVILIZED PEOPLE of TODAY (even MUSLIMS) CONSIDER IMMORAL.
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MUSLIMS like ROLAN LEGARDA BLAME CHRISTIANS for the RAPE of CHILDREN and for INCEST.
But WHO AMONG the RELIGIOUS LEADERS MARRIED and HAD SEX with a MINOR and even became a MODEL for CHILD MARRIAGE and CHILD SEX?
This is what AISHA, the CHILD-WIFE of ISLAM'S PROPHET SAID in the HADITH or TRADITIONS of ISLAM'S PROPHET:
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Hadith Bukhari Book #62, Hadith #64)
"CONSUMMATED" means HAD SEX.
So, according to ISLAMIC DOCUMENTS, it was ISLAM'S PROPHET who MARRIED and HAD SEX with a CHILD.
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Further reading of AISHA'S stories in the HADITH shows that SHE was still a LITTLE GIRL when she GOT MARRIED and HAD SEX with ISLAM'S PROPHET.
Read this LINK:
http://sagot-sa-balik-islam.blogspot.com/search/label/Aisha%20Mature%20When%20Muhammad%20Had%20Sex%20with%20Her%3F
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In regard to INCEST, ABU BAKR, the FATHER of AISHA, PROTESTED when ISLAM'S PROPHET said that HE WOULD MARRY the LITTLE GIRL.
Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry." (Sahih Hadith Bukhari Book #62, Hadith #18)
ABU BAKR considered ISLAM'S PROPHET as his "BROTHER."
In spite of that, ISLAM'S PROPHET INSISTED that the LITTLE GIRL--whom ABU BAKR considered as their PROPHET'S NIECE--should be MARRIED to HIM.
INCEST?
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Because ISLAM'S PROPHET TOOK a YOUNG CHILD as HIS WIFE and HAD SEX with HER BEFORE she reached PUBERTY, HE has become the MODEL of CHILD MARRIAGE and CHILD SEX in ISLAM.
HERE is what an EXPERT in ISLAMIC LAW SAYS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTRtIxN1kjY
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So, WHO and WHAT RELIGION TEACHES and PROMOTES SEX with YOUNG CHILDREN? Is it CHRISTIANITY or ISLAM?
LET US ALLOW the TEACHING and EXAMPLE of ISLAM'S PROPHET PROVIDE the ANSWER.
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Next time, if ANY MUSLIMS try to ATTACK CHRISTIANS and CHRISTIANITY in regard to IMMORALITY, LET us just REMIND THEM of WHAT THEIR BELOVED PROPHET DID.
I'M SURE even MUSLIMS are ASHAMED of the EXAMPLE SET by THEIR PROPHET.
Sunday, February 12, 2012
Bible bakit may incest?
THE BIBLE is the STORY of the PEOPLE of GOD.
IT TELLS the TRUTH, EVEN if the TRUTH is NOT SO GOOD in the EYES of SOME.
But TELLING THE TRUTH DOES NOT MEAN something BAD is being condoned. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO SAY what is NOT NICE so that WE WILL UNDERSTAND REALITY.
The BIBLE is NOT LIKE some other "HOLY BOOK" that is SANITIZED while CLAIMING to be FROM GOD but the "PROPHET" who supposedly REVEALED IT CANNOT be PROVEN to have been SENT BY GOD HIMSELF.
Anyway, as I already said, WE SHOULD READ the BIBLE and LOOK at the CONTEXT.
Let us see the context of this "incest" between LOT and HIS DAUGHTERS?
The IMPORTANT QUESTIONS are:
1. WHY DID IT HAPPEN?
2. WAS IT OUT OF LUST or OUT OF "NECESSITY"?
3. WAS THERE ABUSE?
LET US READ Gen 19:23-25, 30-36.
The sun was just rising over the earth as Lot arrived in Zoar; at the same time the LORD rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah (from the LORD out of heaven).
He overthrew those cities and the whole Plain, together with the inhabitants of the cities and the produce of the soil.
Since Lot was afraid to stay in Zoar, he and his two daughters went up from Zoar and settled in the hill country, where he lived with his two daughters in a cave.
The older one said to the younger: "Our father is getting old, and there is not a man on earth to unite with us as was the custom everywhere.
Come, let us ply our father with wine and then lie with him, that we may have offspring by our father."
So that night they plied their father with wine, and the older one went in and lay with her father; but he was not aware of her lying down or her getting up.
Next day the older one said to the younger: "Last night it was I who lay with my father. Let us ply him with wine again tonight, and then you go in and lie with him, that we may both have offspring by our father."
So that night, too, they plied their father with wine, and then the younger one went in and lay with him; but again he was not aware of her lying down or her getting up.
Thus both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father.
WE SEE from the TEXT that the SCENE is JUST AFTER GOD DESTROYED SODOM and GOMORRAH.
SODOM and GOMORRAH were the ONLY WORLD that the DAUGHTERS of LOT KNEW.
When GOD DESTROYED these CITIES, GOD DESTROYED the ONLY WORLD that THEY KNEW.
THIS is the CONTEXT of the INCEST THEY COMMITTED as TOLD in Gen 19:31.
The VERSE READS"
The older one said to the younger: "Our father is getting old, and THERE IS NOT A MAN ON EARTH to unite with us as was the custom everywhere.
Because of the DESTRUCTION of the ONLY WORLD they KNEW, the DAUGHTERS of LOT THOUGHT that THERE IS NO LONGER ANY OTHER MAN on EARTH to GIVE THEM CHILDREN.
For them, the SITUATION was already HOPELESS.
So, THEY DID WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS BEST. THAT is WHY THEY SAID in Gen 19:32:
Come, let us ply our father with wine and then lie with him, THAT WE MAY HAVE OFFSPRING BY OUR FATHER."
Was it OUT OF LUST?
NO. For the DAUGHTERS OF LOT, it was a matter of SURVIVAL and a NECESSARY THING TO DO so that HUMANITY WOULD CONTINUE.
IT was NOT LIKE what SOME PEOPLE DID. SOME PEOPLE MARRIED and HAD SEX with CHILDREN, as if there were no other WOMEN EXISTED. THIS is INFINITELY WORST than WHAT LOT'S DAUGHTERS DID.
In this case, THERE IS ABUSE. And a CHILD is ABUSED.
In the case of INCEST between LOT and his DAUGHTERS, there was NO ABUSE ... ESPECIALLY since IT WAS NOT LOT (the OLDER PERSON) who INITIATED IT. HE DID NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE of HIS DAUGHTERS.
So, THAT'S THE CONTEXT of this INCEST.
IF THIS KIND OF INCEST HAPPENED TODAY, IT WOULD BE TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
COMPARE that to the PRACTICE of SOME who still MARRY and HAVE SEX with CHILDREN.
IT TELLS the TRUTH, EVEN if the TRUTH is NOT SO GOOD in the EYES of SOME.
But TELLING THE TRUTH DOES NOT MEAN something BAD is being condoned. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO SAY what is NOT NICE so that WE WILL UNDERSTAND REALITY.
The BIBLE is NOT LIKE some other "HOLY BOOK" that is SANITIZED while CLAIMING to be FROM GOD but the "PROPHET" who supposedly REVEALED IT CANNOT be PROVEN to have been SENT BY GOD HIMSELF.
Anyway, as I already said, WE SHOULD READ the BIBLE and LOOK at the CONTEXT.
Let us see the context of this "incest" between LOT and HIS DAUGHTERS?
The IMPORTANT QUESTIONS are:
1. WHY DID IT HAPPEN?
2. WAS IT OUT OF LUST or OUT OF "NECESSITY"?
3. WAS THERE ABUSE?
LET US READ Gen 19:23-25, 30-36.
The sun was just rising over the earth as Lot arrived in Zoar; at the same time the LORD rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah (from the LORD out of heaven).
He overthrew those cities and the whole Plain, together with the inhabitants of the cities and the produce of the soil.
Since Lot was afraid to stay in Zoar, he and his two daughters went up from Zoar and settled in the hill country, where he lived with his two daughters in a cave.
The older one said to the younger: "Our father is getting old, and there is not a man on earth to unite with us as was the custom everywhere.
Come, let us ply our father with wine and then lie with him, that we may have offspring by our father."
So that night they plied their father with wine, and the older one went in and lay with her father; but he was not aware of her lying down or her getting up.
Next day the older one said to the younger: "Last night it was I who lay with my father. Let us ply him with wine again tonight, and then you go in and lie with him, that we may both have offspring by our father."
So that night, too, they plied their father with wine, and then the younger one went in and lay with him; but again he was not aware of her lying down or her getting up.
Thus both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father.
WE SEE from the TEXT that the SCENE is JUST AFTER GOD DESTROYED SODOM and GOMORRAH.
SODOM and GOMORRAH were the ONLY WORLD that the DAUGHTERS of LOT KNEW.
When GOD DESTROYED these CITIES, GOD DESTROYED the ONLY WORLD that THEY KNEW.
THIS is the CONTEXT of the INCEST THEY COMMITTED as TOLD in Gen 19:31.
The VERSE READS"
The older one said to the younger: "Our father is getting old, and THERE IS NOT A MAN ON EARTH to unite with us as was the custom everywhere.
Because of the DESTRUCTION of the ONLY WORLD they KNEW, the DAUGHTERS of LOT THOUGHT that THERE IS NO LONGER ANY OTHER MAN on EARTH to GIVE THEM CHILDREN.
For them, the SITUATION was already HOPELESS.
So, THEY DID WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS BEST. THAT is WHY THEY SAID in Gen 19:32:
Come, let us ply our father with wine and then lie with him, THAT WE MAY HAVE OFFSPRING BY OUR FATHER."
Was it OUT OF LUST?
NO. For the DAUGHTERS OF LOT, it was a matter of SURVIVAL and a NECESSARY THING TO DO so that HUMANITY WOULD CONTINUE.
IT was NOT LIKE what SOME PEOPLE DID. SOME PEOPLE MARRIED and HAD SEX with CHILDREN, as if there were no other WOMEN EXISTED. THIS is INFINITELY WORST than WHAT LOT'S DAUGHTERS DID.
In this case, THERE IS ABUSE. And a CHILD is ABUSED.
In the case of INCEST between LOT and his DAUGHTERS, there was NO ABUSE ... ESPECIALLY since IT WAS NOT LOT (the OLDER PERSON) who INITIATED IT. HE DID NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE of HIS DAUGHTERS.
So, THAT'S THE CONTEXT of this INCEST.
IF THIS KIND OF INCEST HAPPENED TODAY, IT WOULD BE TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
COMPARE that to the PRACTICE of SOME who still MARRY and HAVE SEX with CHILDREN.
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