This Post is a copy paste ang linaw namumuti eh.. kong baga at sa madaling salita kopya. Ang mga nandirito ay hindi kanya bagkus kinupya lamang nya mula sa iba.
Buong ipinagyayabang ni Mr. Bibe na si Kristo daw na kinikilala nyang dios at immortal pa daw (immortal ay isa sa mga katangian ng tunay na Dios) ngunit namatay din naman daw ito sa krus para tubusin ang kasalanan ng Sanlibutan (mankind, you people have this very unique imagination in you imagine Jesus as a prophet was sent by God to Israel and not for the non Jews like you and me, yet he died for the whole world?! amazing isn't it?) at sa akto yon, when Jesus was crucified naging saksi daw doon ang kanyang mga alagad. Ngunit noong ibinigay ko sa kanya ang talata mula sa bibliya na kong saan nagpapatunay na kahit isa sa kanyang mga alagad ay hindi naging saksi sa pangyayari na iyon... read Mark 14:50"And all his disciples left him and ran away."Mr. Bibe insisted that the mother of Jesus was there as a witness of the said event.Then I said (as I question him) if so, why is it that The Gospel of Mary was not in your Bible? why is it that this Gospel of Mary (the mother of Jesus) is excluded in your bible? But this Gospel of Mary was among the books of the Early Christians Writing.hangang sa humantong kami sa ganitong pag uusap;Cenon Bibe - Sinabi ba sa gospel of Mary na hindi namatay si Hesus?Balik-Islam - (Who knows? bakit kailangang itago ang kasulatan na yon? bakit wala sa inyong mga Bibliya? It's the Gospel of Jesus mother yet you exclude it in your Bible. may Mali talaga at kaya kailangang itago! you know what I mean its a Gospel that we are talking here.)Cenon Bibe- Nanay ba ni Hesus nagsulat nyan?Balik Islam- (Its The Gospel of Mary and Not According to Mary brod.)Cenon Bibe - Bawal kunwaring may alam. Dapat may alam talaga.Balik Islam - you'll soon knows brod huwag kang atat.Cenon Bibe - Wala ka palang alam sa gospel of Mary e. Wag mo banggitin.Balik Islam - Its not about what I know or what I do not know! ang issue dito bakit wala sa bibliya ninyo ang The Gospel of Mary na INA ni Jesus? Its The Gospel of Mary, its not the Gospel According to Mary! di ba na naka pagtaka na excluded ito sa inyong Bibliya? Pero ang rebulto nya ay SOS life size sa mga Simbahan ninyo? Pero ang Gospel nya wala?Cenon Bibe - Ang malinaw na nakita ng nanay ni Hesus ang pagkamatay Niya ang batayan. Hindi haka-haka.Nakita ng nanay ni Hesus na namatay Siya. Marami pang ibang saksi.Balik Islam - Kong nakita sino nagsalita? bakit ang record o sulat ng mismong Nanay nawawala? may lokohan o ungguyan bang nangyari? Hehehe! nagtatanong lang po sa mga walang alam pero pwedeng mag isip kong bakit? anyway brod wait mo nalang ang usapan nating ito nasa blog na ito sa darating na panahon. makatulog na muna. hehehe!Cenon Bibe -Hindi isinama sa Bible ang mga pekeng kasulatan o gawa-gawa lang ng mga hindi saksi.Balik Islam - (Kakasabi mo lang na Saksi ang INA ni Jesus na si Maria, ngayon hindi na naman sya Saksi? hilong-hilo ka na sa mga palusot mo brod ano? Ganyan din sa witness kapag walang alam at sinungaling buking! hehehe!)Cenon Bibe - Hindi nanay ni Hesus ang gumawa ng gospel of Mary Balik Islam - (palusot? but its among the Early Christians writings the early Christian uses it?!) Cenon Bibe - at hindi kahit na sinong saksi.
Jesus was not crucified according to the early christian writings“I (Jesus) did not succumb to them as they had planned… And I did not die in reality but in appearance, lest I be put to shame by them… For my death which they think happened [happened] to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death … It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon whom they placed the crown of thorns… And I was laughing at their ignorance. [Second Treatise of the Great Seth]“…John, unto the multitude below in Jerusalem I am being crucified and pierced with lances and reeds, and gall and vinegar is given me to drink….”“…Nothing, therefore, of the things which they will say of me (Jesus) have I suffered: nay, that suffering also which I showed unto thee and the rest in the dance…”“… Thou hearest that I (Jesus) suffered, yet did I not suffer; that I suffered not, yet did I suffer; that I was pierced, yet I was not smitten; hanged, and I was not hanged; that blood flowed from me, and it flowed not; and, in a word, what they say of me, that befell me not, but what they say not, that did I suffer…” [Acts of John verse 97-103]Copy paste or click the link below;http://islam-kareem.blogspot.com/2013/03/jesus-was-not-crucified-according-to.html?m=1
Kong dios man si Kristo sya ay ang dios na hindi naparito para kay Mr. Cenon Bibe! kasi ang linaw-linaw ng pahayag mismo na nagmumula kay Kristo eh ito pakibasa at unawa po Mr. Cenon Bibe Matt 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."hindi po ba na ang linaw-linaw na si Kristo ay naparito hindi para kay Mr. Cenon Bibe at iba pa na hindi mga Hudyo o Israel? pero bakit ipinagsisiksikan nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe ang sarili nya kay Kristo at tawagin pa ang kanyang sarili bilang isang Kristyano? hindi pa ba sapat na ang pahayag ni Kristo na ito, na sya ay naparito hindi para sa kanya, kay Cenon Bibe bagkus sa mga taga Israel lamang?Ang linaw eh at hindi lamang yan, may mahigpit pang habilin si Kristo sa kanyang mga tunay na Alagad, at ito ang kanyang sinasabi Matt 10:5-6" These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. but only to the people of Israel--God's lost sheep."Ang tanong kabilang ba itong si Cenon Bibe sa mga lost sheep of Israel na yan? Ang sagot na malinaw ay HINDI. sapagkat ipinagdidiinan din nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe (sa dahilan na takot yata sya na magpatuli) na hindi sya kabilang sa COVENANT na ito ng Dios at Tao pakibasa po Gen 17:9-11 "God said further to Abraham, “Now as for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. “This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. “And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you"The above COVENANT between God and Men was totally ignored by Mr. Cenon Bibe for as according to him hindi naman daw sya Hudyo or Israel. At kaya hindi sya kabilang sa nasabing Covenant na ito! pero sa kabilang banda kanya din namang pinagpipilitan na sya daw po ay isang Kristyan sa kabila ng katutohanan na si Kristo ay naparito lamang para sa mga Israel o Hudyo. Matt 15:24Ganoon pa man sa pag-aangkin nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe bilang isang Kristyano kanya din namang Sinuway Nilapastangan at tuwirang Sinalungat ang ARAL at TURO na ito ng Bibliya bilang isang Kristyano! basa: Gal 5:2-4"Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." At kaya malinaw at klarong-klaro nating napapatunayan na sya ay litong-lito sa kanyang paniniwala bilang isang nagpakilalang Kristyano.Kaya pabayaan natin itong si Mr. Cenon Bibe na magpapaliwanag kong ano talaga ang kanyang paniniwala. dahil malinaw mula sa mga pahayag ni Kristo na sya ay naparito lamang para sa mga Israel o Hudyo at malinaw din na hindi kabilang si Mr. Cenon Bibe dyan! At napaptunayan din natin na sa kabila ng kanyang pagpapanggap na sya daw po ay isang Kristyano tahasan at tuwiran nya ring Sinusuway Sinasalungat ang ARAL at TURO na ito ng kanyang Bibliya! Gal 5:2-4
WHAT WAS THE SIGN OF JONAH?"CHRIST" NOT A NAME Over a thousand million Christians today blindly accept that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ. They produce "a thousand and one" prophecies from the Jewish Bible (the Old Testament) to prove their claim that Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews. Let us hold the thousand" prophecies in abeyance for a moment and examine the only unequivocal claim made by Jesus in the Gospels and examine whether he fulfilled his promise to the Jews. We must admit that the word CHRIST is not a name. It is a title. It is a translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, meaning "anointed." The Greek word for "anointed" is Christos from which we get the word Christ. Priests and kings were "anointed" when being consecrated to their office. The Holy Bible confers this title even on a heathen king CYRUS (Isaiah 45:1). We are reminded in the Gospel of St.Luke that "WHEN EIGHT DAYS WERE ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE CIRCUMCISING OF THE CHILD, HIS NAME WAS CALLED JESUS, WHICH WAS SO NAMED OF THE ANGEL BEFORE HE WAS CONCEIVED IN THE WOMB." (Luke 2:21). The name that was given to Mary for her yet unborn son was JESUS and NOT Christ. It was only after his baptism at the hands of John the Baptist that he, Jesus, claimed to be the Christ. The Jews were not the ones to accept his claim on its face value. They wanted proof! MIRACLE AS PROOF Matthew records that the learned men among the Jews - the Scribes and Pharisees - came to Jesus and asked, "MASTER, WE WOULD SEE A SIGN FROM THEE". (Matthew 12:38). What they really wanted was some "magic trick," some "sleight of hand" like producing a rabbit out of a hat or walking on the water or flying in the air or trodding on burning coal. This is the type of "sign" or MIRACLE they were looking for. The Jews mistook him for a sorcerer, a wizard, a charlatan. NO "SIGN" BUT ONE With righteous indignation Jesus replies: "AN EVIL AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION SEEKETH AFTER A SIGN; AND THERE SHALL NO SIGN (no miracle) BE GIVEN TO IT, BUT THE SIGN (miracle) OF THE PROPHET JONAS: FOR AS JONAS WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE'S BELLY; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH." Matthew 12:39-40). Jesus says, "NO SIGN." He does not refer the Jews to blind Bartimeus whose sight he had restored. He does not speak about the "woman with issues" who was healed by merely touching him; or about the 2000 pigs he had destroyed to heal "a man possessed;" or the 5000 and the 3000 people he had fed and satiated with a few pieces of fish and a few pieces of bread. "No sign," says Jesus, BUT ONE! - "THE SIGN OF THE PROPHET JONAS!" He is putting all his "eggs" in one basket. His claim to being the Messiah (Christ) stands or falls the ONLY "sign" he was prepared to give. Did Jesus fulfill the only sign he gave? Christendom answers with a unanimous Y-E-S! without heeding the Biblical advice - 'not to take things for granted.' - but "PROVE ALL THINGS!" (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
(B)WHAT WAS THE SIGN OF JONAH?JONAH FLEES HIS CALL What was the "sign" (miracle) of Jonah? We have to go to the "Book of Jonah" in the Old Testament to find out. God commanded Jonah to go to Nineveh and warn the Ninevites to repent from their "evil ways, and from the violence that is in their hands." (Jonah 3:8) But Jonah was loath to go as a warner unto the Ninevites, so he goes to Joppa instead of Ninevah, and takes a boat to run away from the Lord's command. While at sea, there was a terrible tempest. According to the superstition of the mariners, a person fleeing from his Master's command creates such a turmoil at sea. They began to enquire among themselves and said, "COME, AND LET US CAST LOTS, (like the tossing of a coin, "head" or "tail") THAT WE MAY KNOW FOR WHOSE CAUSE THIS EVIL IS UPON US. SO THEY CAST LOTS, AND THE LOT FELL UPON JONAH." (Jonah 1:7). Though here was a temporary lapse on the part of Jonah in fulfilling his mission, he manfully and most outrageously volunteers: "AND HE SAID UNTO THEM TAKE ME UP, AND CAST ME FORTH INTO THE SEA; SO SHALL THE SEA BE CALM UNTO YOU: FOR I KNOW THAT FOR MY SAKE THIS GREAT TEMPEST IS UPON YOU." (Jonah 1:12) DEAD OR ALIVE? Since Jonah was selflessly offering himself as a "vicarious" sacrifice there was no need for strangling him before throwing him into the sea, no need to spear him or break his arm or limb. In his own words: "TAKE ME UP AND CAST ME FORTH." The question now arises, that when the shipmaster and the crew threw him overboard, was Jonah dead or alive? Any Christian child who has attended Sunday School will give an immediate reply: "ALIVE!" The storm subsides. Was this perhaps a coincidence? A fish swallows Jonah. Was he dead or alive when swallowed? The answer again is "ALIVE" Was he dead or alive when "JONAH PRAYED UNTO THE LORD HIS GOD OUT OF THE FISH'S BELLY?" (Jonah 2:1) Surely dead men don't cry and don't pray! The answer again is "ALIVE" For three days and three nights the fish takes him around the ocean: dead or alive? "ALIVE!" is the answer. On the third day it vomits him on the seashore: dead or alive? A-L-I-V-E, of course! What had Jesus prophesied about himself? He said: "AS JONAH WAS ..... SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE" LIKE JONAH. And how was Jonah? Was he dead or alive for three days and three nights? Alive! ALIVE! ALIVE! is the unanimous answer from the Jew, the Christian and the Muslim!
(C)WHAT WAS THE SIGN OF JONAH?UNLIKE JONAH If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights, then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb as he himself had foretold! But Christianity hangs on the flimsy thread of the death" of Jesus for its salvation. So it has to answer that Jesus was DEAD for three days and three nights. The contradiction between his utterance and its fulfilment is obvious. Jonah ALIVE, Jesus DEAD! Very UNLIKE Jonah! Jesus had said "LIKE Jonah" not UNLIKE Jonah. If this is true then according to his own test Jesus is not the TRUE Messiah of the Jews. If the Gospel record is genuine then how can we blame the Jews for rejecting "CHRIST". THREE AND THREE = 72 HOURS? The Doctor of Divinity and the Professor of Theology replies that in Matthew 12:40 under discussion, the emphasis is on the TIME factor - "as Jonas was THREE days and THREE nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be THREE days and THREE nights in the heart of the earth." "Please note," says the learned theologian, "that the word "THREE" is repeated F-O-U-R times in this verse to prove that Jesus was going to fulfil the prophecy as regards the length of time he was going to remain in the tomb, and NOT 'As Jonas was' in relation to his being alive or dead. If it is the time factor that Jesus was stressing then let us ask whether he fulfilled that aspect of his promise to the Jews as well. The Christian dogmatist answers: "OF COURSE!" PUBLIC HOLIDAY The question arises: when was Christ crucified? The whole Christian world answers: "FRIDAY!" Is this the reason we celebrate "Good Friday" - as a Public Holiday in every Christian nation from America to Zambia, from Abyssinia to Zaire at Easter? What makes Good Friday" so good? "it is the death of Christ on the Cross on this day to wash off our sins," says the Christians. So he was killed on the cross on a Friday, 19xx years ago? "YES!" says the Christians. From the Gospel records we gather that the Jews were in a hurry to eliminate Jesus. Hence the midnight trial, and then dispatching him off to Pilate in the morning; from Pilate to Herod and then back again to Pilate. The vested interests were afraid of the general public. Jesus was their hero. He had been their benefactor. His enemies had to do away with him quickly, and succeeded in doing so. However, as much as they were in a hurry to hang him on the cross, they were in equal hurry to bring him down from the cross before sunset on Friday because of the Sabbath. The Sabbath starts at about 6 p.m. on Friday and the Jews were warned in Deuteronomy 21:23 that the victim of crucifixion was an "accursed of God" and was not to be permitted to remain hanging on the Sabbath day, "that thy land be not defiled which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance." To satisfy the religious scruples of the Scribes and Pharisees the "secret disciples" of Jesus took down the body from the cross. They gave the body the Jewish burial-bath, plastered it with "one hundred pounds weight of aaloes and myrrh" (John 19:39), then placed the shrouded body into the sepulcher before night-fall.
(D)WHAT WAS THE SIGN OF JONAH?WHY "SUPPOSED"? There are numerous differences between the various sects and denominations of Christianity, but on the above they are unanimous. Jesus is SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Friday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the day of Saturday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Saturday. Christians agree whole-heartedly with this. It will be noted that I have repeated the word 'SUPPOSED' three times. The reason is that the Gospels are silent as to when exactly Jesus came out of the tomb. He could have been taken away on Friday night by his "secret disciples" to a more congenial and restful place, but I have no right to assume about what the Gospel writers are silent. I have, therefore, repeated the word 'SUPPOSED' three times. In the final analysis, let us see whether Jesus was THREE days and THREE nights in the tomb:- EASTER WEEKIN THE SEPULCHER DAYSNIGHTSFRIDAY - placed in tomb just before sunset- nil -One nightSATURDAY - supposed to be in tombOne dayOne nightSUNDAY - missing before sunrise- nil -- nil -TOTALOne DayTwo Nights You will no doubt note that the GRAND TOTAL is ONE day and TWO nights, and NOT three days and three nights. According to the Christian Scriptures Jesus had failed a SECOND time. FIRST he was unlike Jonah, who was ALIVE in the belly of the fish, which is the exact opposite of what the Christians claim had happened to their master Jesus, who was DEAD for the same period of time as Jonah was - ALIVE. SECONDLY, we discover that he also failed to fulfill the TIME FACTOR as well. The greatest mathematician in Christendom will fail to obtain the desired result - THREE days and THREE nights. We must not forget that the Gospels are explicit in telling us that it was "before sunrise" on Sunday morning (the FIRST day of the week), that Mary Magdalene went to the tomb of Jesus and found it empty.
(E)WHAT WAS THE SIGN OF JONAH?"GOOD" WEDNESDAY The Armstrong family has debunked the whole Christian world. They seem to know their arithmetic! Mr. Robert Fahey of the "Plain Truth" magazine, delivered a lecture recently at the "Holiday Inn,' Durban, where I was present. Mr. Fahey attempted to prove to his Christian audience that Jesus Christ was crucified on a Wednesday and not on Friday, as is supposed by Orthodox Christianity for the past two thousand years. According to him if one counts backwards from Sunday morning deducting 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS, one ought to get WEDNESDAY as the answer. I congratulated Mr Fahey for his ingenuity. I asked him, how was it possible for the past two thousand years the whole Christian world celebrated GOOD FRIDAY instead of GOOD WEDNESDAY. Thus the 1,200,000,000 Christians of the world today are ignorant of the correct day of the so called crucifixion! It means that even the Roman Catholic Church – which claims an unbroken chain of Popes from Peter to this day - according to Mr Fahey are mislead. GOD OR THE DEVIL? The question arises, who deceived the millions of Christians for the past TWO THOUSAND years. GOD or the DEVIL? Mr Fahey categorically answered: "THE DEVIL!" "If the devil," I said, "can succeed in confusing the Christians in the most elementary things of their Faith, whether to celebrate a Good Friday or a Good Wednesday, then how much easier for him to mislead Christians in other things concerning God?" Mr Fahey blushed and walked away. If this is the belief of the trend-setters of the Christian Faith in the world today, may we now then ask: is this not the mightiest hoax in history?
Pope Francis and the Vatican has introduced the world to their god they been worshipping all along, Lucifer. According to Pope Francis and the Catholic Church, The Morning Star is the creator of the world and the father of Christ. He brought "light" to the human race.Please click or copy paste the link below for you to find it out!https://youtu.be/dcpVrtv2t-M
Mr Cenon Bibe sino ang morning star na tinutukoy dyan? according to your Catholic Church sya daw, yang morning star na yan ang Father ni Jesus! So leader mismo ng Simbahan ninyo ang nagsasabi nyan! ano tutul ka ba sa sinasabi ng lider ng Simbahan ninyo?https://youtu.be/dcpVrtv2t-M