Tuesday, July 17, 2012

2Sam 24:13 vs 1Chr 21:12; Famine: 7 or 3 years?

LET us explain another claim of contradiction put forward by MUSLIM DEFENDER BEN LANCUYAN.

Lancuyan posited this question to me:
God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

We have already proved in our previous posts that there are NO CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible. People like Lancuyan are either confused or have been misled by detractors of the Holy Book.

I praise and thank God for this new opportunity to further prove the inerrancy of the Sacred Scriptures.



To see the root of Lancuyan's confusion, let us read the two texts that he cited.

2Samuel 24:13
So Gad came to David and told him, and said to him, "Shall seven years of famine come to you in your land? Or will you flee three months before your foes while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days' pestilence in your land? Now consider and see what answer I shall return to Him who sent me."
 
1Chronicles 21:11-12
So Gad came to David and said to him, "Thus says the LORD, `Take for yourself either three years of famine, or three months to be swept away before your foes, while the sword of your enemies overtakes you, or else three days of the sword of the LORD, even pestilence in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the territory of Israel.' Now, therefore, consider what answer I shall return to Him who sent me."

So, in 2Samuel 24:13the prophet Gad told David of "seven years of famine," while in 1Chronicles 21:12, he was quoted as saying "three years of famine."

In Lancuyan's mind, "seven" and "three" are contradictory. He needs to be enlightened.



As I have said before, everyone should see differences in accounts as mere differences in POINTS OF VIEW or in the EXPRESSIONS used by the various authors. They usually MEAN THE SAME.

Between 2Sam 24:13 and 1Chr 21:12, there is really no difference in the BIBLICAL MEANING of "seven" and "three."

In the Bible, "seven" and "three" are synonymous. They have similar meanings. And that similar meaning is DIVINE or SPIRITUAL PERFECTION.

THREE is associated with the PERFECTION of GOD. While SEVEN is related with the PERFECTION of the SPIRIT.



When the author of 2Sam 24:13 wrote about what the prophet Gad told David, he merely quoted what the prophet actually said. So, 2Sam 24:13 says, "seven years."

Now, we already said in our other posts that the author of 1Chronicles is a priest or a religious person.

When he wrote 1Chr 21:12, he stressed that fact that the punishment being meted out to David was FROM GOD. It was an expression of GOD'S PERFECT WILL.

So, instead of simply quoting what the prophet said, the author of 1Chr 21:12 put God directly into the quotation by using "three."



And again, NO CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible.

What Bible detractors like Lancuyan and Muslim defenders call "contradictions" are only signs of their own lack of knowledge and understanding of what they are attacking.


26 comments:

  1. Narito ang iba pang pagsasalungatan, (ito ay pawang mga sinabi ng iskolar na si Deedat). Ito ay tumutukoy sa pagsasalarawan ng dambanang tanso sa templo ni Solomon. Sa II Chronicle-4:5 ang paglalarawan ay mababasa ayon sa mga sumusunod: "Ang kapal nito ay isang dangkal at ang gilid nito ay tulad ng pagkagawa sa gilid ng tasa, tulad ng bulaklak na lily na nakakasakop ng 3,000 mga pampaligo", (ang pampaligo ay pantay halos 2 litro) subali't sa The Kings I:7-6 ay mababasa ng naaayon sa mga sumusunod: "Ang kapal nito ay isang dangkal, at ang gilid nito ay tulad ng paggawa sa gilid ng tasa, tulad ng bulaklak ng lily na nakakasakop ng 2,000 mga pampaligo." Alin sa nilalaman ng mga talatang ito ang ating paniniwalaan ngayon na ang ibinigay na pagkakaiba ng dalawang sukat ay humigit sa 50%? Alin sa dalawang ito ang totoong salita ng Allâh at alin dito ang salita ni Satanas? Ito ay ilan lamang sa mga salungatan na makikita ng sinuman sa Lumang Tipan.

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    1. IYAN pong PINABULAANAN NATIN sa ITAAS ay SI AHMED DEEDAT DIN ang NAGSABI e.

      Hindi po ba NAPATUNAYAN NATING MALI SIYA?

      DINADAAN na lang po sa DAMI ng KUNWARI ay KONTRAHAN para KUNWARI ay MERON ngang KONTRA-KONTRA.

      Ang TOTOO ay DINADAMIHAN NILA ang PANINIRA para MAKASINDAK. Para nga namang "NAPAKARAMI" ng KONTRAHAN.

      Pero TINGNAN NINYO, NUNG TUTUKAN NATIN ang mga KONTRAHAN DAW ay HINDI NAMAN PALA. O, di po ba?

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    2. explain mo nlng wag ka puro haka.....

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    3. NAIPALIWANAG na po sa ITAAS.

      Paki TINGNAN din ang TOPIC LIST sa KANAN at MARAMI pang KAMALIAN ni AHMED DEEDAT ang SINAGOT NATIN.

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  2. karamihan sa mga muslim ay mahihina ang
    isip sa pag-intindi, ,,,, kasi
    ang tatay at nanay ay magpinsan kaya yong anak INBRED kulang sa logic ,

    at tamang pagiisip kulang ang process ng utak kasi pareho ang hormones,

    kaya wala sa context ang mga banat naniniwala nama sila sa quran nila.

    hoy mga balik islam kuno, gamitin naman ninyo ang inyong mga utak ,
    di naman magpinsan ang mga parents ninyo di ba. kaya wag kayong pabula sa hDITH AT KORAN, basahin ninyo ng tamang lingua , sa english para maintindihan na po ninyo ang tama.

    anonisab

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  3. explain mo nlng yan CONTRADICTION iho.....

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    1. WALANG CONTRADICTION.

      Paki BASA na lang po ang ARTICLE sa ITAAS.

      HINDI NINYO MATUTUTULAN YAN.

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    2. Ito ay tumutukoy sa pagsasalarawan ng dambanang tanso sa templo ni Solomon. Sa II Chronicle-4:5 ang paglalarawan ay mababasa ayon sa mga sumusunod: "Ang kapal nito ay isang dangkal at ang gilid nito ay tulad ng pagkagawa sa gilid ng tasa, tulad ng bulaklak na lily na nakakasakop ng 3,000 mga pampaligo", (ang pampaligo ay pantay halos 2 litro) subali't sa The Kings I:7-6 ay mababasa ng naaayon sa mga sumusunod: "Ang kapal nito ay isang dangkal, at ang gilid nito ay tulad ng paggawa sa gilid ng tasa, tulad ng bulaklak ng lily na nakakasakop ng 2,000 mga pampaligo." Alin sa nilalaman ng mga talatang ito ang ating paniniwalaan ngayon na ang ibinigay na pagkakaiba ng dalawang sukat ay humigit sa 50%? Alin sa dalawang ito ang totoong salita ng Allâh at alin dito ang salita ni Satanas? Ito ay ilan lamang sa mga salungatan na makikita ng sinuman sa Lumang Tipan.

      xplain po...

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  4. another CONTRADICTION here are these examples that even children can see through… The authors of (I Chronicles) and (Samuel II), tell the story of David while counted the Children of Israel… They tell us about the source of the idea the counting?... In (Samuel 2/ 24-1) reads: "Again the anger of the LORD was intensify against Israel, so, Israel incited David against them, saying: "Go, count number Children of Israel and Judah".. On the other hand, while the author of (Samuel 2) showing the Lord He is the Master of the position (that is mean God He gave the order to number Children of Israel.. But in (I Chronicle) the Devil is the mastermind of counting Children of Israel, as in (1/21) the author equals Devil with the Lord said: "Satan stood up against Israel, and incited David to number Children of Israel"… This schizophrenic attitude reminds me of the story about an old woman who flamed a candle for St. Michael and another for Satan. Thus, she would have a friend wherever she goes: Paradise or Hell.

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    1. NO CONTRADICTION THERE.

      In fact, I HAVE ALREADY SHOWED that.

      Please CLICK HERE = 2Sam 24:1 vs 1Chr 21:1?

      THERE are NO CONTRADICTIONS in the BIBLE.

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  5. mga xtiano oh mag kapatid nagasawahan hehehe manoud ka nlng ng face to face aun magkapatid nag asawahan hahaha si kuya inasawa si bunso 3 anak puro abnormal lol.... noud ka na din ng balita aun si itay inasawa si ate hehehe

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    1. HINDI po KAMI mga ASO na PINAPAYAGAN na MAG-ASAWA ang MAGKAKAMAG-ANAK.

      BAWAL po sa ARAL KRISTIYANO ang GANYAN.

      Yang mga SINASABI NINYO ay HINDI SUMUSUNOD sa TAMANG ARAL.



      HINDI rin po kami mga BABOY na UMAASAWA sa MGA BATA.

      BAWAL po sa AMIN YAN.

      Kung may gumagawa niyan ay LUMALABAG sa ARAL KRISTIYANO.

      Sa IBANG RELIHIYON ay HINDI PINATATAWAD ang mga BATANG PASLIT at WALANG MALAY. PINAAASAWA at PINASI-SEX sa MATATANDA.

      BAKA MAY KILALA KAYONG RELIHIYON na KAHIT BATA ay IPINAASAWA at IPINASI-SEX. YON po ang BATIKUSIN NINYO.

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  6. walang malinaw na kasagotan 2ngkol sa 2Sam 24:1 at 1Chr 21:1 puro lng cla palaplagay walng sapat na batayan... tzk

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    1. HINDI lang po NINYO MATUTULAN kaya nyo nasabi yan.

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  7. dapat banatan yan ni uztad barcelon hahahaha walanghiyang cenon to =))

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    1. E BAKIT WALANG KIBO ang USTADZ BARCELON NINYO?

      NAPAHIYA NA ang mga MUSLIM dahil HINDI MAPATUNAYAN na SINUGO ng DIYOS ang KANILANG PROPETA.

      TAHIMIK pa rin sa BARCELON.

      WALA rin kasing MAISAGOT e.



      PASAGUTIN po NINYO RITO si BARCELON para TULUNGAN NIYA ang mga KAPATID NIYANG NAPAHIYA.

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  8. SIGI PAPUNTAHIN MO DITO SI BARCELON BAKA TATAKBO YAN GAYA NI WHITE JEWEL AT ALYAS POGI,,,BASAHIN NA LANG NINYO NG MAAYOS AT INTINDIHIN ANG MGA KORAN AT HADITH NINYO ,,,,ANO BA YONG ,,,SA TAGALOG ,,ALLAH IS THE BEST OF DECEIVER,, NASA SURAH 8:30,,,
    AT SA BIBLE NAMAN NAKASULAT ,,SATAN IS THE DECEIVER OF THE WORLD,,,EH DI TAMA PALA ,,,ALLAH IS SATAN ,,,TINUTURO SA INYO HATE AT VIOLENCE,
    ANO MAHAL , TAKBO NA .,,YONG SINASABI
    PAG EDUCADO KA AT NAGBASA NG KORAN AT NAINTINDIHAN MAPA AHHH GANOON BA , AT AALIS YAN, AT KUNG ILLITERATE NAMAN YONG NAGBASA
    MAGIGING TERRORISTA OR FANATICO.
    MAHAL WALANG LOVE SA ISLAM ,HINDI MO BAALAM YAN ,,,HINDI KA ATA NAGBABASA NG
    MGA WEBSITE NINYO AH,,,PUNTA KA NA LANG SA MGA WEBSITE NG MGA EX-MUSLIMS
    KAY ALI SINA , JIHAD WATCH AT MARAMI PANG IBA.,,, SINUNGALING KA PA MAHAL MAHAL KA PA ,,,TAQQIYA YAN.

    YONG ISA NAMAN SA ITAAS BULOK RIN PALA ,
    TINUTURO BA YAN NG SIMBAHAN AT NG
    XTIAN GOVERNMENT,,,SA INYO PATI ANAK MO NA 6 YEARS OLD IPAPAKASAL MO SA MATANDA ,LOOK WHAT IS YOUR MODEL MOHA-MAD GINAGAYA NINYO.

    TURO BA YAN NG ALLAH NINYO ,,,SADIK NAKASULAT PO YON SA KORAN.


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  9. During a conversation with a Christian missionary, a Muslim scholar asked him if he believed Jesus was God.
    The missionary said "Yes. Jesus is God."
    Muslim scholar said: "Jesus never said he was God."
    The missionary taken back said, "What! He did."
    Muslim scholar asked: "Can you show me?"
    The missionary started opening his bible and then with a victorious smile, he opens John 10:30. He says here you go. In John 10:30, Jesus says "I and my Father are one."
    Muslim scholar asked him: "What does that mean?"
    The missionary said: "It means Jesus is saying that he is God."
    Muslim scholar asked: "Why do you say that?"
    The missionary said: "Jesus is saying that he and God are one. Isn't it obvious?"
    Muslim scholar asked: " So if Jesus says both are one then it means Jesus is God, am I right?
    The missionary said: "Absolutely. There is no doubt about it!"
    Muslim scholar asked: "So if someone is called one with God, then it means he is God, am I right?
    The missionary victoriously said: "Yes. Look, I showed you what you wanted and this is my proof and that's all I need."
    So the Muslim scholar agreed with him for the sake of argument and asked him to open, John 17:21-22. In John 17:21, Jesus says
    "That they (disciples) all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they (12 disciplines) also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And further in John 17:22, Jesus says
    "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them (12 disciples); that they may be one, even as we are one: And further in John 17:23, Jesus says : "I in them (12 disciples), and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."
    After reading this, the missionary slowly realized what he had got himself into.
    Muslim scholar said: "Now, Jesus says that God, Jesus and the 12 disciples are one."
    The missionary was clearly cornered and said, "No, no."
    Muslim scholar asked: "Why not?"
    He was silent with his head down.
    Muslim scholar asked:
    "Does that mean God and Jesus and the 12 disciples are one?"
    "Does that mean the 12 disciplines are also God?"
    "Does that mean Judas the traitor was also God?"
    "Do you believe in 14 Gods?"
    The missionary had no reply.

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    1. JESUS is TRUE GOD and TRUE MAN.

      Because JESUS is TRUE GOD, HE is ONE with the FATHER.

      And because JESUS is TRUE MAN, HE is also ONE with HIS DISCIPLES.

      And since JESUS is BOTH TRUE GOD and TRUE MAN, JESUS UNITES MAN with HIS FATHER.

      That is why 1TIMOTHY 2:5 says "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus."


      Does this UNION between GOD and MAN make man "God"?

      NO. Because MAN is only UNITED with GOD through the HUMANITY of JESUS CHRIST.

      It is that simple.

      Thank you.

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    2. ETO po MAS KUMPLETONG SAGOT:

      Thank you for inviting me to this FB account.

      I doubt the story but I will explain it for you.

      First, you used a TRANSLATION. And the TRANSLATION that you USED (King James Version) is INACCURATE.

      In the ORIGINAL GREEK TEXT, it DOES NOT SAY "that they also may be ONE IN US." The more accurate translation is "May they also be in us."

      Please TAKE NOTE that THERE is no "ONE" in the ACCURATE TRANSLATION.

      The ACCURATE TRANSLATION follows the ORIGINAL GREEK which says, "...ἵνα καὶ αὐτοὶ ἐν ἡμῖν ὦσιν..." (... hina [that] kai [also] autoi [they] en [in] hemin [us] osin [might be] ...)

      So, SORRY because YOUR SCHOLAR USED an INACCURATE TRANSLATION so HE MISUNDERSTOOD what the VERSE TRULY SAID.

      There was really NOTHING to BEGIN WITH. The MUSLIM SCHOLAR HAD PUT HIS HOPE on an INACCURACY in TRANSLATION.

      That is why WE DO NOT USE the KING JAMES VERSION.

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      Now, what does "BE IN US" mean?

      It is simply like this: JESUS is TRUE GOD and TRUE MAN.

      Because JESUS is TRUE GOD, HE is ONE with the FATHER. (JOHN 10:30)

      And because JESUS is TRUE MAN, HE is also ONE with HIS DISCIPLES.

      And since JESUS is BOTH TRUE GOD and TRUE MAN, JESUS UNITES HIS DISCIPLES with HIS FATHER.

      Does this UNION between GOD and MAN make man "God"?

      NO. Because MAN is only UNITED with GOD through the HUMANITY of JESUS CHRIST.

      It is that simple.

      Thank you.

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  10. yan ang lumabas sa inyong mga isip
    ,,wala na nga kayong wisdom ,,,
    muslim ka talaga mahal, wala sa hulog ang mga istorya mo , kumain ka na lang ng litson mas mura pa ,at maintindihan mo ang mga nakasulat

    koran mo nga hindi mo naintindihan
    ano pa kaya yong bible , wala ka talaga sa hulog ,,,, ang sabi nga dating muslim SIMPLE LOGIC ,

    QURAN IS RIGHT , EVEN WHEN IT IS WRONG.

    WALA KA TALAGA SA HULOG SADIK , ISIP BATA KASI EH .




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  11. bro pwd po makuha email nyo kasi may mga tanung ako..thank you po and Godbless

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  12. Bro Cenon,, magandang araw po baka puede mong buksan itong link sa Ibaba
    at bigyan mo rin ng additional na conclusion , alam kong marami mga taong makakaalam sa link na ito.


    http://al-mahdi.atspace.com/compare2.html


    Comparison of End Times Figures in Christianity and Islam, Part II

    Salamat po
    Anonymous SAB

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  13. Cenon Bibe, here my Response http://defenderben.wordpress.com/2012/12/29/bible-contradiction-7-years-or-three-years/ on this post

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