Muslims cite John 17:3 in their attempt to deny His divinity. They say the verse points to the "only true God" and that Jesus was only one who was "sent" by God. So, they say Jesus is not God.
Wrong.
John 17:3
does not deny the Jesus is God. On the contrary, it proves that Jesus is God.
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A. MUSLIM ERROR
The Muslim
does not understand the verse because he has taken it out of context. He
ignored the other verses before and after it, namely John 17:1-2 and John
17:4-5.
John 17:3
says, “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only
true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”
Eternal life is not only in knowing God, but it is also in
knowing Jesus Christ.
Who is Jesus?
B. JESUS, SON OF GOD
John 17:1-2 tells us that the one God is the Father of Jesus.
Meaning, Jesus is the Son of the Father. Jesus is the Son of God.
As the Son of God, Jesus is also God, because the Son takes
His nature from His Father.
The nature of the Father is that of God. Therefore, the
nature of the Son is also the nature of the Father, who is God. So, Jesus is also
God.
C.JESUS EXISTED BEFORE CREATION
John 17:5 proves the divinity of Jesus because it shows Him
existing with God the Father “before the world was” created. In fact, Jesus
already had glory with God the Father before the world’s creation.
Jesus said, “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself,
with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”
D. SON OF GOD SENT ON A MISSION
John 17:4 tells us that God the Father sent God the Son on a mission. And Jesus said He was already accomplishing that mission.
So, instead of denying the divinity of Jesus, John 17:3
proves that He is God.
Muslims have a wrong understanding of the verse because
they do not know how to read text.
And having a wrong understanding of the verse, Muslims
mislead themsleves and those who believe them.
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Cenon Bibe - Muslims cite John 17:3 in their attempt to deny His divinity. They say the verse points to the "only true God" and that Jesus was only one who was "sent" by God. So, they say Jesus is not God. ---- ( Muslim - as it is very clear then that in this particular verse of John 17:3 Jesus preach and teach the only One True God worthy of worship and that he Jesus was only send by God not to Cenon Bibe but only to Israel Matt 15:24 malinaw na malinaw po yan! and the book your own Bible also proved that there is Only One God, here i'm citing some verses from the bible;
1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]
3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
4. 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.
5. 1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.
6. 2 KINGS 5:15 — And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.
7. 2 Kings 19:15 — And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.
8. 1 Chronicles 17:20 — O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.
9. Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
10. Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?
11. Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.
12. Isaiah 37:16,20 — O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. (20) Now therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.
13. Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he:before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.
John 17:1-5 shows that the God of the Bible is a Father who has a Son.
DeleteIt also supports the revelation of God that He is a Trinity: The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:19)
Cenon Bibe - John 17:1-5 shows that the God of the Bible is a Father who has a Son.
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Muslim - exactly the same only one true God preach and teach by Jesus himself in John 17:3
"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
And exactly the same God also mention in the book of Isaiah 43:10
""You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me."
Cenon Bibe - It also supports the revelation of God that He is a Trinity: The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:19)
Muslim - Trinity? bakit yan ba ang pagkaunawa mo sa ipinapahayag na aral at turo ni Kristo sa John 17:3 at sa Isaiah 43:10 Cenon Bibe your idea about God contradict directly to the Teachings and Preaching of Jesus {John 17:3} and the Bible {Isaiah 43:10} about the only One True God?
My goodness bakit ba ganoon ninyo unawain ang Bibliya hindi mo ba nauunawaan ang pahayag ng Isaiah patungkol sa nagiisang Dios Cenon Bibe?
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14. Isaiah44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
15. Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.
16. Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.
17. Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.
18. Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
19. Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
20. Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
21. John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
22. Romans 3:30 — Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, andthat there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
24. Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
25. Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
27. 1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
28. James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
iilan lamang po yan sa mga patotoo na mayroon lamang iisang Dios na syang itinuturo at ipinapangaral mismo ni Kristo na sya namang pilit binabali at pinasisinungalingan nitong si Cenon Bibe.)
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ReplyDeleteThe FOOLISH Argument of Mr. Cenon Bibe!!!
Cenon Bibe - Wrong.
John 17:3 does not deny the Jesus is God. On the contrary, it proves that Jesus is God. ---- ( Muslim - your lying Cenon Bibe the verse doesn't proved anything about the divinity of Jesus as such Jesus even Preaching and teaching People to believed in the Only One True God for them to have or gain eternal life. Your such a foolished Cenon Bibe to deny directly the preaching and teaching of Jesus about the only one true God. your very own bible also proves that even in the hereafter on the day of judgement Jesus never become god as claimed by most ignorant claiming Christians like Cenon Bibe cause even in the hereafter on the day judgement Jesus remains a Man a Mediator between God and Men basa; 1 Timothy 2:5 — "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." sino ngayon ang higit nating paniniwalaan? ang sinasabi ni Jesus at ng Bibliya? o ang KaTangahan at KaBubohan nitong si Cenon Bibe? nasa inyo po ang pasya!)
The Muslim failed to dispute the truth that John 17:3 does not deny the divinity of Jesus.
DeleteThe Muslims failed to deny that John 17:1-5 proves that Jesus is divine as God the Son.
Nasaan sinasabi o nakasulat ang sinasabi mong divinity Cenon Bibe, saan mababasa mula sa John 17:3 na sinasabi ni kristo na dios din sya? mayroon ba? Katotohanan ipinangaral at itinuturo pa nga ni Kristo ang tungkol sa iisa at tunay na Dios! Saan mababasa ang aral at diktrinang trinity mula sa talata? Bagkus ang malinaw mula sa talata (John 17:3) na mayroong makapangyarihang Dios na nagsugo at may isinugo. (Matt 15:24) Magkapantay ba ang kalagayan ng nagsugo sa isinugo Cenon Bibe? Patawa ka talaga! Kulang ka sa unawa ng iyong Bibliya. Kong sa bagay aral nga at turo ng Gal 5:2-4 ay kinontra mo pa eh.
DeleteMULA MISMO SA BIBIG NITONG SI CENON BIBE ANG PAHAYAG AT UNAWA NYA SA John 17:4.... But with a Little Twist!
ReplyDeleteCenon Bibe - John 17:4 tells us that God the Father sent God the Son on a mission. And Jesus said He was already accomplishing that mission.
Muslim - I would be Quoting this VERSE from the Authorized Version of the Bible the King James Version of the Bible.
John 17:4 King James Version (KJV)
"I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do."
John 17:4 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
" I glorified thee on earth, having accomplished the work which thou gavest me to do;"
Mr. Cenon Bibe ang accomplishing ay may ibang pakahulogan sa salitang ACCOMPLISHED!
at ganoon din naman ang Finishing sa FINISHED!
Pakatandaan po natin na ang pahayag na ito ni Kristo ay kanyang binabanggit bago pa man ang nasabing pagpaku sa kanya sa krus!
but in your own Catholic Bible Jesus Mission is already Finished before the alleged Crucifixion
John 17:4 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
" I glorified thee on earth, having accomplished the work which thou gavest me to do;"
in another Catholic version or edition of the Bible we read this;
John 17:4 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
"I have glorified thee on the earth; I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do."
gusto ko pong bigyang diin ang dalawang magkasalungat na Pahayag ng nasabing Talata sa John 17:4 ano po ba talaga ang tama FINISHING? or FINISHED? sa katulad nitong si Cenon ang mga ganitong pagsasalungat ay hirap na hirap syang unawain ang mga ito! Was the Mission of Jesus Cenon Bibe ACCOMPLISHING? or already ACCOMPLISHED? dahil ang dalawang magkasalungat na pahayag ay nagbibigay ng ibang kahulogan lalo pa't ang deklarasyon nyang yan ay bago pa sya maipako sa krus! Kasi if Cenon Bibe choose the two Catholic version of the Bible which stated that Jesus already ACCOMPLISHED or FINISHED his mission, ay malamang tapus na ang kwento ng pagpako kay Kristo sa Krus!? ganoon pa man ito ay inihahayag ko sa inyo na ang iisang Bibliya ay nagbibigan ng ibat-ibat pakaHulogan! at dyan mismong inyong nasumpungan sa usapin ng John 17:4 ang tuwirang salungatan, bueno alin kaya ngayon ang inyong paniwalaan? Is Jesus yet FINISHING his mission at kaya sya ay kailangan pang ipako sa Krus? or that Jesus has already FISHED his mission and its no need for him to crucify in the cross? nasa inyo po ang pasya, kasi sa mismong Bibliya ay nagsasalungatan na po eh?!)
If the Muslim says the mission of Jesus was already accomplished, then Praise the Lord!
DeleteThe Muslim acknowledges that Jesus was the Son of God sent by the Father on a mission.
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I said Jesus was "already accomplishing that mission" because God the Son was just about to offer His life on the cross in John 17.
He finished or accomplished His mission on the cross, where He declared in John 19:30, "It is finished."
But again, Praise God the Son because the Muslim agreed that He was sent by God His Father on that mission.
Metaphorically we are all the Children of God the GOOD and the BAD as Jesus mention that already very clearly in the Bible'
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" Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to My Father and YOUR Father, to My God and YOUR God. ”
Cenon Bibe - I said Jesus was "already accomplishing that mission" because God the Son was just about to offer His life on the cross in John 17.
Delete( Muslim - John 17:4 pa lamang Cenon Bibe Jesus already FINISHED or ACCOMPLISHED his mission and that statement in John 17:4 was stated by Jesus long before the alleged Crucificion. At kaya haka-haka nyo na lamang ang paniniwalang si kristo ay namatay para tubusin kayo sa inyong mga katangahan. Kasi magpahanggang ngayon tanga ka pa rin Cenon Bibe tahasan at tuwiran mo pa ring sinasalungat at kinukontra ang aral at turo ng iyong pinapaniwalaang Bibliya. basa Gal 5:2-4)
Cenon Bibe - He finished or accomplished His mission on the cross, where He declared in John 19:30, "It is finished."
( Muslim - Cenon Bibe huwag mong gagohin yang sarili mo tapus na ang lahat na ipinapagawa ng Dios kay Jesus John 17:4
"Inihayag ko dito sa lupa ang iyong kaluwalhatian; natapos ko na ang ipinapagawa mo sa akin."
So tapus na Cenon kasi ang mission lamang ni Kristo dito sa lupa ay anf ipahayag ni Kristo ang kaluwalhatian ng Dios at natapus nya na ito. At kaya huwag kang gumawa ng SENCOND ENDING Cenon kasi John 17:4 pa lang tapus na! Finished or Accomplished na!)
A Stupid Understanding of The Bible!!!
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C.JESUS EXISTED BEFORE CREATION
John 17:5 proves the divinity of Jesus because it shows Him existing with God the Father “before the world was” created. In fact, Jesus already had glory with God the Father before the world’s creation.
Muslim - Mr. Cenon Bibe your not having the right understanding in reading your Bible!
here are some verse to that your having a wrong notion from what your reading;
In the knowledge of God every Tom Dick and Harry was there! I was there, You were there! Hitler was there! everybody was there even before the creation of everything we are All there! IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.
Ngayon Cenon Bibe matanong kita sino ang binabanggit na ito ng Bibliya?
Proverbs 8:27-30
"When he established the heavens, I was there,
when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, when he made firm the skies above,
when he established the fountains of the deep, when he assigned to the sea its limit,
so that the waters might not transgress his command,
when he marked out the foundations of the earth, then I was beside him, like a master workman;
and I was daily his delight,
rejoicing before him always,
Sino sa pagkakaalam mo Cenon ang binabanggit na yan ng Bibliya?
ito pa Cenon another biblical example ng manumbalik naman yang ulirat mo!
Jeremiah 1:5
"“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Sige Cenon tutulan mo ang mga talata na yan!)
I'm sure the Muslim cannot prove that any man was present to God before the earth was created.
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Proverbs 8:27-30 refers to Jesus, the power of God and the wisdom of God. (Proverbs 8:12; 1Corinthians 1:24)
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The Muslim might try to rebut us and say that Wisdom in Proverbs 8 is "female" and is referred to as "she" and "her."
He will only expose his lack of knowledge and understanding of the Hebrew culture and language.
In Hebrew, certain attributes like wisdom are assigned gender: male or female.
Wisdom in Hebrew is female. That is why in Proverbs it is referred to as "her" or "she."
When God revealed Jesus, His Son, as His wisdom, then we know that as a Person, God's wisdom is male.
Let's wait for the Muslim to expose his lack of knowledge and understanding by responding to this post.
Thank you.
Notice that the Muslim was not able to rebut or contradict our explanation that John 17:3 proves that Jesus is God.
DeleteInstead, he diverted the issue by going to other verses like Proverbs 8:27-30 and Jeremiah 1:5.
We already answered his ignorance about "wisdom" being female in Proverbs 8:27-30.
Now, let's explain his wrong idea of what Jeremiah 1:5 is saying.
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The Muslim uses Jeremiah 1:5 to try to rebut John 17:5, which tells us that Jesus existed before God created the earth.
The Muslim is mistaken in thinking that just because God "knew" a prophet "before" he was born does not mean the prophet existed before God created the earth.
That wrong understanding cannot even be derived from Jeremiah 1:5.
Jeremiah 1:5 only stresses that God knew the prophet even before He was born. God knew him before he actually existed. It's that simple.
The Muslim's fertile and yet dull imagination has stretched it so far from that he totally missed what the verse is actually saying.
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Jesus said in John 17:5, "So now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your presence before the world existed."
Notice that Jesus already had glory "in the presence" of God before the world existed. Jesus was already present at that time.
That means Jesus already existed before creation. To exist means to be actually there. He was not only a thought. He was not only an idea. He actually existed. He was there.
Simple.
Thank you.
ANG KATANGAHAN NI CENON BIBE!!!
DeleteMuslim - As I was presenting Proverbs 8:27-30
"When he established the heavens, I was there,
when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, when he made firm the skies above,
when he established the fountains of the deep, when he assigned to the sea its limit,
so that the waters might not transgress his command,
when he marked out the foundations of the earth, then I was beside him, like a master workman;
and I was daily his delight,
rejoicing before him always,
may katanungan ako kay Cenon Bibe;
Sino sa pagkakaalam mo Cenon ang binabanggit na yan ng Bibliya?
At ito ang katangahan nyang sagot sa tanong ko patungkol sa Proverbs 8
Cenon Bibe - Proverbs 8:27-30 refers to Jesus, the power of God and the wisdom of God. (Proverbs 8:12; 1Corinthians 1:24)
Muslim - So walang kagatol-gatol nyang sinasabi na ang pahayag daw po ng Proverbs 8:27-30 ay Patungkol daw po kay Jesus! kaya tatanungin ko sya Mr. Cenon Bibe hindi po ba na si Hesus ay tinuli? [Luke 2:21] bakit nahasan mo ngayon sinasabi na ang tinutukoy dyan sa Proverbs ay si Kristo? Ito Cenon itaas natin ng kaunti ang pagbabasa para alamin kong si Kristo ang tinutukoy sa Proverbs 8:27-30! basa:
Proverbs 8:2
"She takes her stand on the top of the high hill,
Beside the way, where the paths meet."
Talagang bang patungkol kay Kristo ang talata na yan Cenon Bibe? yang Proverbs 8:27-30 at talagang patungkol talaga kay Kristo? kong ganoon Cenon kailan pa naging SHE or BABAE si Kristo?
Nakita po ninyo? Tama tayo na ilalantad ng Muslim ang kawalang alam niya sa wikang Hebreo.
DeleteTinanong niya ang sinabi nating itatanong niya kaugnays a "gender" o kasarian ng "Wisdom" sa wikang Hebreo.
Muslim ang mismong naglantad ng kawalang alam niya.
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Bilang kawanggawa po natin sa Muslim na kokonti ang alam ay uulitin po natin dito ang post natin sa itaas bilang sagot sa kamalian niya.
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WISDOM IS FEMALE IN HEBREW
The Muslim might try to rebut us and say that Wisdom in Proverbs 8 is "female" and is referred to as "she" and "her."
He will only expose his lack of knowledge and understanding of the Hebrew culture and language.
In Hebrew, certain attributes like wisdom are assigned gender: male or female.
Wisdom in Hebrew is female. That is why in Proverbs it is referred to as "her" or "she."
When God revealed Jesus, His Son, as His wisdom, then we know that as a Person, God's wisdom is male.
Let's wait for the Muslim to expose his lack of knowledge and understanding by responding to this post.
Thank you.
Cenon Bibe -
DeleteWISDOM IS FEMALE IN HEBREW
The Muslim might try to rebut us and say that Wisdom in Proverbs 8 is "female" and is referred to as "she" and "her."
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Muslim -
Let us start with figures of speech. These, by definition, should not be taken literally. For example, “And the Lord said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to me from the ground.” (Gen. 4:10) Do you think that Abel’s blood actually cried out from the ground in that verse? No. The Lord was using personification to help Cain understand the inescapable nature of sin. We realize that Abel’s blood was inanimate, non-articulate, and in no way capable of speech; it was just a literary figure. What you cannot do with this verse is to formulate a doctrine that says blood actually speaks after a person dies. Sound silly? People do this type of thing…and more! We must always be alert to figures of speech, because in figure (as seen in Gen. 4:10), God’s exact words will not equal his exact meaning.
In Proverbs 8 wisdom is not literally a woman who prepares a banquet; wisdom is an intangible quality. But Proverbs describes it as if it were an actual person.
So if Proverbs refers to Jesus as foolishly claimed by Mr. Cenon Bibe then a right gender should be use for Jesus, if Proverbs 8 really tefers to him. At kaya mapapahiya na naman si Cenon sa kamalian nyang ito.
Its a figures of speech no more no less
DeleteCENON BIBE AN IGNORANT BIBLE READER!
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B. JESUS, SON OF GOD
John 17:1-2 tells us that the one God is the Father of Jesus. Meaning, Jesus is the Son of the Father. Jesus is the Son of God.
As the Son of God, Jesus is also God, because the Son takes His nature from His Father.
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Muslim -
Cenon your not having the right understading from what your reading para sa kaalaman mo Cenon Bibe Metaphorically we are ALL the Children of God the Good and the Bad. sa dahilan na syan lamang ang tagapaglikha!
Ang kinilalang AMA ni Kristo ay AMA din natin, at ang kinikilalang Dios ni Kisto ay Dios din natin. Your Bible proves that already! yet you Cenon Bibe are so heedless in understanding His words in your own book! The Bible.
ito pakibasa at unawa naman po Cenon Bible
May hihigit pa ba sa pahayag na ito ni Kristo? si Kristo man ay nakikiDios din sa iisa at tunay na Dios na kanyang ipinapangaral at ipinapakilala.
John 20:17
" Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to My Father and YOUR Father, to My God and YOUR God. ”
Bakit tila hirap na hirap itong si Cenon Bibe na unawain ang mga pahayag na ito ni Kristo? kaya nya ba ikinakaila ang pahayag na ito ni Kristo sa dahilan na si Kristo ay hindi naparito para sa kanya? Bagkus sa mga Israel lamang? Matt 15:24 galit ba si Cenon Bibe kay Kristo o nagtatampo lamang dahil sa pahayag na yan ni Kristo sa matt 15:24..? nagtatanong lamang po!
God is the Father of all who have united themselves to Jesus, the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16)
DeleteThat is why Jesus says in John 20:17 that God, His Father, is also the Father of His disciples. Notice that Jesus already calls his disciples as brethren or brothers.
Christians are included in the Body of Christ when they enter His Body, the Church. (1Cor 12:27)
As part of Christ's Body, all its members have become sons and daughters of God. That's because they are part of the Body of Jesus who is the only Son of God.
Simple.
Cenon Bibe -
DeleteWISDOM IS FEMALE IN HEBREW
The Muslim might try to rebut us and say that Wisdom in Proverbs 8 is "female" and is referred to as "she" and "her."
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Muslim -
Let us start with figures of speech. These, by definition, should not be taken literally. For example, “And the Lord said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to me from the ground.” (Gen. 4:10) Do you think that Abel’s blood actually cried out from the ground in that verse? No. The Lord was using personification to help Cain understand the inescapable nature of sin. We realize that Abel’s blood was inanimate, non-articulate, and in no way capable of speech; it was just a literary figure. What you cannot do with this verse is to formulate a doctrine that says blood actually speaks after a person dies. Sound silly? People do this type of thing…and more! We must always be alert to figures of speech, because in figure (as seen in Gen. 4:10), God’s exact words will not equal his exact meaning.
In Proverbs 8 wisdom is not literally a woman who prepares a banquet; wisdom is an intangible quality. But Proverbs describes it as if it were an actual person.
So if Proverbs refers to Jesus as foolishly claimed by Mr. Cenon Bibe then a right gender should be use for Jesus, if Proverbs 8 really tefers to him. At kaya mapapahiya na naman si Cenon sa kamalian nyang ito.
MALI AT DESPALINGHADONG ARGUMENTO NITONG SI CENON BIBE!!! MALING UNAWA SA BIBLIYA.
ReplyDeleteCenon Bibe - Eternal life is not only in knowing God, but it is also in knowing Jesus Christ.
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Muslim - So dito po mapapansin po natin na tahasan at tuwiran ng sinasalungat at kinukontra nitong si Cenon Bibe ang mismong aral at turo ni Kristo na makamtan lamang ng Tao ang Buhay na walang hanggan kapag kikilalanin natin ang iisa at tunay na Dios na syang ipinapakilala at ipinapangaral ni Kristo!
John 17:3
"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
Ngayon Mr. Cenon Bibe saan sinasabi ni Kristo mula sa talata na sya ay dapat din na kilalanin upang makamtan ang buhay na walang hanggan? meron ba o nais mo lamang itong idagdag?
kilalanin si Kristo bilang ano Mr. Cenon Bibe? Katotohanan dapat nga namang kilalani at sundin ang mga pahayag at turo na ito ni Kristo sa John 17:3 patungkol sa iisa at tunay na Dios! ngunit sa kabilang banda Mr. Cenon Bibe maliwanag na maliwanag din ang sinasabi din naman ni Kristo at ng Bibliya na sya ay hindi naparito o isinugo para sayo, bagkus sa mga Israel lamang! Matt 15:24 at hindi lamang yan may mahigpit pang habilin si Kristo sa kanyang mga tunay na alagad! basa Matt 10:5-6
"These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel."
Kaya Cenon Bibe huwag mong ipagpipilitan yang sarili mo kay Kristo, kasi higit na pinapaniwalaan ko si Kristo sa kanyang mga pahayag na ito sa Bibliya, kay sa baluktot at taliwas mong unawa sa mga pahayag na ito ni Kristo!
On the Contrary we Muslims believed that Jesus was a Prophet of God sent to Israel as he himself claimed, yan din ang sabi ni Kristo at ng Bibliya ninyo Cenon di po ba?! we also believed in the One and only true God preach and teach by Jesus. Na kong saan dito sumalungat at kumontra itong si Cenon Bibe sa aral at turo na ito ni Kristo patungkol sa iisa at tunay na Dios! John 17:3
Simpleng Ingles lang yan pero tila hindi naiintindihan ng Muslim.
DeleteGanito ang sinasabi ng John 17:3, "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, AND Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
Pansinin po ninyo ang salitang "AND" bago sa pangalan ng Panginoong Hesus. Sa Pilipino, ang "AND" ay katumbas ng salitang "AT."
Ang "AND" at "AT" ay nagpapakita na kasama sa tinutukoy ang sumusunod na pangalan o bagay o tao o persona.
Dahil sa "AND" o "AT" na iyan, nanangahulugan na kasama si Hesus sa dapat kilalanin para magkaroon ng eternal life.
Ganoon lang po kasimple yon.
Mauunawaan natin ang Muslim kung hindi niya naiintindihan ang Ingles dahil baka po absent siya nung ituro yan sa paaralan noong siya ay elementary o highschool pa lang.
Salamat po.
Tungkol po sa Matthew 10:5-6, kung saan pinapupunta ni Hesus ang Kanyang mga alagad sa mga Israelita lang.
DeleteHindi po naiintidihan ng Muslim ang konteksto ng talata.
Ang Mt 10:5-6 at maging ang Mt 15:24 ay bilang pagtupad sa pagsugo ng Diyos Ama kay Hesus para hanapin ang mga nawawalang tupa ng Israel.
Iyan ay bilang pagtupad sa pangako ng Diyos sa Deuteronomy 18:18 kung saan nangako ang Diyos na magbabangon Siya ng isang propeta para sa mga Israelita.
Ang Anak ng Diyos na si Hesus ang propetang ibinangon ng Diyos para sa mga Israelita. Kaya nga ang misyon Niya ay para sa mga Israelita. (Mt 10:5-6; Mt 15:24)
Ang layunin ng pagsugo ng Diyos Ama kay Hesus ay para ibalik sa Panginoon ang mga Israelita.
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Ngayon, hindi lang yan (Deut 18:18) ang binitiwang pangako ng Diyos. May nauna pang pangako ang Diyos na nasa Genesis 3:15.
Sa Gen. 3:6 ay sinuway ng unang lalake at babae ang utos ng Diyos na huwag kakain sa bunga ng Puno ng Kaalaman ng Masama at Mabuti. Bunga niyan ay nahiwalay ang tao sa Diyos at nagbunga pa ng paghihirap at kamatayan. (Gen. 2:17; Gen. 3:16-19)
Pero dahil mahal ng Diyos ang tao ay nangako Siya na dudurugin ang ahas na nagligaw sa mga tao.
Sabi ng Diyos sa Gen. 3:15, "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel."
Si Hesus ang supling ng babae na dudurog sa ulo ng ahas.
At iyan nga ang isa pang misyon ng Diyos Anak na si Hesus noong Siya ay magkatawang tao.
Matapos Niyang hanapin ang mga naliligaw na tupa bilang pagtupad sa Deut 18:18 ay ang pagtupad naman sa Gen. 3:15 ang Kanyang ginawa.
Dinurog ni Hesus ang ulo ng ahas nang ialay Niya ang Kanyang buhay para sa ikaliligtas ng tao. Ang pag-aalay at pagliligtas na iyan ay ginawa ni Hesus sa krus.
Dahil dinurog ni Hesus ang ahas na nagligaw sa tao, ang Kanyang pagliligtas ay hindi lang para sa mga Israelita kundi para sa lahat ng tao. (Mt 26:28)
Kulang lang talaga ang alam ng Muslim kaya hindi Niya nalalaman ang kanyang mga sinasabi.
BUONG KATANGAHANG PAGMAMAYABANG NITONG SI CENON BIBE!!!
DeleteCenon Bibe - Tungkol po sa Matthew 10:5-6, kung saan pinapupunta ni Hesus ang Kanyang mga alagad sa mga Israelita lang.
-----( Muslim - Oh bakit? tutul ka na naman sa pahayag na yan ni Kristo Cenon Bibe? walang hiya ka rin talaga ah? sa halos lahat ng Pahayag ni Kristo at ng Bibliya ninyo higit sa kalahati kinontra at sinalungat mo ito! Hindi ka naniniwala sa iisa at tunay na Dios na syang ipinapakilala ipinangaral at itinuro ni Kristo sa John 17:3 hindi mo rin pinapaniwalaan na si Kristo ay naparito lamang sa mga Israel o hudyo Matt 15:24 hindi mo rin sinusunod ang COVENANT ng Dios at ng Tao Gen 17:9-11 @ 26-27 dahil katwiran mo hindi ka hudyo, pero bakit mo tinatawag na Kristyan ngayon yang sarili mo Matt 15:24 naparito ba si Kristo para sayo? at sinalungat at kinontra mo rin ang aral at turo ng Bibliya mo sa Gal 5:2-4 Kristyano ka ba talaga o nagpapanggap ka lamang? ang dami mong kinontra at sinalungat na mga aral at turo sa Bibliya mo eh? at pati mga pahayag ni Kristo ay tuwiran mo ring ini-ignore at binabali-wala ang mga ito.)
Cenon Bibe - Hindi po naiintidihan ng Muslim ang konteksto ng talata.
-------( Muslim - Konteksto? aber ipaliwanag mo ang mga konteksto sa lahat ng talatang ihinayag ko na sinalungat at kinontra mo Cenon Bibe? nasa komento ko lamang sa itaas ng hindi ka na mahirapan. ipaliwanag mo ang lahat na pagsasalungat at pag kontra mo sa mga talatang iyan!)
Cenon Bibe - Simpleng Ingles lang yan pero tila hindi naiintindihan ng Muslim. --- ( Muslim - hindi naman ako katulad mo Cenon na sa simpling English aral at turo ng Bibliya mo sa Gal 5:2-4 ay sumimplang ka na?
DeleteThe Nature of Christian {if sundin ng Kristyan ang aral at turo na ito}
"Now I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.
I testify again to every man who receives circumcision that he is bound to keep the whole law.
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace." nasunod kaya niyong si Cenon ang aral na ito ng kanyang bibliya?)
Cenon Bibe - Ganito ang sinasabi ng John 17:3, "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, AND Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." ---( Muslim - and so ayon sa pahayag musmo ni Kristo na mayroon lamang only God AND {the fake god?} Ito ang pahayag ni Kristo sa bibliya din po ito ;
John 17:3 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."
Yang AND na pinagdidiinan nitong si Cenon para ituring daw na another god din si Kristo ay tuwirang sumasalungat sa pahayag ng
Isaiah 43:10 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
You are my witnesses, says the Lord,
and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor shall there be any after me.)
Is God Racist?
ReplyDeleteA racist is one who believes that a certain human race is superior to any or all others, and that it is endowed with an intrinsic superiority, which makes the racial discrimination justified. Based on this definition, some say that God is a racist. They cite, as an example, that throughout history God has favored a chosen race, the children of Israel (the Jewish people). Another example of God’s alleged racism is when he cursed the descendants of Ham, Noah’s son, with being “the lowest of servants to his relatives” (Genesis 9:25). As the descendants of Ham were thought to be Africans, it was thought that God discriminated against all generations of Africans, condemning them to slavery.
Now if Jesus is god and was here only for Israel then if could be possible that Christian have the god that is racist? Jesus own statement in the Bible will proved the subject above. inhere we Read:
Matt 15:24
"He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."
Furthermore Jesus even instructed his very own disciples where to preach and teach the good news!
Matt 10:5-6
" These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel."
Now if Jesus was here only for the Israel or the Jews how can you then claimed yourself a Christian. The verses above prove that Christianity is not from Jesus! I would be better for you to find it out, where Christianity start and who started it.
Non-Muslims Admit
ReplyDeleteEven the non-Muslim scholars admit to the authenticity of the Qur’an. For example, Laura Veccia Vaglieri, professor at the University of Naples, has the following to say: “The heavenly book of Islam is miraculous and inimitable. Its style is totally unprecedented in Arabic literature, and its peculiar impact on the spirit of the human being derives from its special and superior characteristics. How is it possible that such a book should be the work of Muhammad, an Arab who had never studied? We find in this book a treasury of knowledge beyond the capacity of the greatest philosophers and statesman, and for this reason it is also impossible to regard the Qur’an as the work of an educated person”.
Smith writes in his book Muhammad and Islam: “I boldly assert that one day the loftiest of human philosophers and the most veracious principles of Christianity will confess and bear witness that the Qur’an is the Word of God. An unlettered and unlearned Prophet was chosen by God to bring the Qur’an to Mankind, a book that has in the course of history produced thousands of other books and treatises, brought libraries into being and filled them with books, and placed before mankind laws and philosophies and educational, intellectual and ideological systems.
paki-copy paste lamang po ang link sa ibaba:
https://www.al-islam.org/authenticity-quran-shaykh-muslim-bhanji/non-muslims-admit
Please notice that Muslims rely on the words of mere men in claiming praise for their Quran.
DeleteThey resort to the praise of men because they could never show any praise given by God for their Quran.
God never appeared to any man -- Muslim or not -- and praised the Quran.
God never spoke to any man and declared the Quran as His word.
So, Muslims rely on what ordinary human beings say about their book. They are desperate, plain and simple.
What Famous Non-Muslims says about Quran
ReplyDeleteThere are many misconception about Quran in world.Unbelievers claims so many things about this holy book,like…. Its not book of God; some says Its written by Prophet Muhammad [pbuh]; some says quran is copied from other holy books ; etc etc etc etc …..
Well,If I will say something about Quran,then they will not believe on my statements,they will think I’m saying good becoz I’m Muslim….a Brain Washed Muslim(i’m happy,atlst my brain is washed..lol )…..so I will not say anything.
Let’s See What Famous Non-Muslims says about Quran ???? I hope this will let few peoples know about the truth.and these famous non-muslims are not this that….Some are Great Book Writers,Physicians,Scientist……….so Let’s See What they says about Quran.
“It soon attracts, astounds, and in the end enforces our reverence… Its style, in accordance with its contents and aim is stern, grand – ever and always, truly sublime – So, this book will go on exercising through all ages a most potent influence.”
[Goethe – quoted in T. P. Huges “Dictionary of Islam”, p. 526]
Paki-copy paste lamang po ang link sa ibaba;
https://islamgreatreligion.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/what-famous-non-muslims-says-about-quran/
Please notice that Muslims rely on the words of mere men in claiming praise for their Quran.
DeleteThey resort to the praise of men because they could never show any praise given by God for their Quran.
God never appeared to any man -- Muslim or not -- and praised the Quran.
God never spoke to any man and declared the Quran as His word.
So, Muslims rely on what ordinary human beings say about their book. They are desperate, plain and simple.
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ReplyDeleteANG PAGTATANONG NG ISANG MUSLIM KAY CENON BIBE!!!
Muslim - Bakit naman sa blog mo cnabi mo na si Jesus yang tinutukoy sa Proverbs 8:27-30 brod? eh kailan pa naging Babae si si Jesus?
Cenon Bibe - Wala kayong alam sa Bible. Hahahah
Ang alam nyo lang mali ang qur'an. Hahahah
Alam nyong hindi sa maputik na balon lumubog ang araw. hahahaha
Muslim - Ay ganoon? so ikaw lang pala ang may alam sa bibliya? kaya pala alam na alam mong salungatin at Kontrahin ang Aral at Turo ng Gal 5:2-4 eh? yoon pala ang may alam sa bibliya sa inyo? Ang kontrahin at salungatin ang mga Aral at Turo nito? (ng Bibliya!)
{ though it is a common knowledge na ang araw dito sa Manila ay lumulubog sa DAGAT or sa MANILA BAY but then we know for facts na hindi talaga ito ang totoong nangyayari. yoon ay sa tingin lamang natin na ang ARAW dito sa MANILA ay lumulubog sa DAGAT or sa MANILA BAY. how much more if a Man living in that time or year 578 relate this incident of a sun set?}
Ceon Bibe - Hindi nyo nga alam ba hindi aral ng Hudyo ang Tuli ng PINOY e. Hahahaha
Alam nyo kang nahihiya kayo sa mali ng qur'an. Hahahaha
Alam nyong mali ang sani ng qur'an na sa putik na balon lumulubog ang araw. Hahahaha
Muslim - Tuwirang pagsasalungat pa rin itong maituturing sa ARAL at Turo Gal 5:2-4 at ng Bibliya bilang isang nagpakilalang Kristyano dapat sinunod mo ang PANINIWALA at ARAL ng Bibliya ninyo, Pero tingin ko Peke ka eh blog mo nga nga puro palusot at wala sa ayus parang gawa ng Grade School.
Cenon Bibe - Mahina lang unawa nyo. Hahaha Hindi aral ng Hudyo ang tuli ng PINOY. Hahaha (referring to the Filipinos)
Gagawa ako ng blog para makita ng lahat ang kinahihiya nyong paglubog ng araw sa putik ng balon.hahaha
Muslim - Palusot ka lang eh kong hindi ka ba naman Gago Aral at Turo ng Bibliya mo yang nasa Gal 5:2-4 brod pero ito ay ipinagpapalit mo sa pagiging Pilipino? ay GagO dapat hindi ka nalang nagpakilalang isang Kristyano! isa kang malaking kahihiyan sa Relihiyon o secta na yan ng Kristyanismo! kasi ang tunay at totoong Kristyano sumusunod sa Aral at Turo ng Bibliya, ikaw Peke ka at kaya Kinontra at Sinalungat mo ang Aral at Turo ng Gal 5:2-4 hehehe! Huwad kang Kristyano hindi ka totoo.
Inungkat ng Muslim ang sabi ng Surah (chapter) 18:86, kung saan sinasabi ng Quran na ang araw ay lumulubog sa maputik na bukal.
DeleteYan daw ang patunay na "milagro" at salita ng Diyos ang Quran.
Basahin po natin ang patoto ng Quran sa kung saan lumulubog ang araw.
SURAH 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water.
Totoo po ba ang sabi ng Quran na sa "spring of black muddy water"?
Lumulubog po ba ang araw sa "maitim na maputik na bukal"?
May matino po bang tao na maniniwala diyan?
Kayo na po ang humusga. Yan daw ang sabi at salita ng Diyos ng mga Muslim.
Pinalalabas po ng Muslim na ang pagkakamali ng Surah 18:86 ay bunga ng pagkakamali ng MAN o TAO sa pagtingin kung saan lumulubog ang araw.
DeleteMali naman po talaga ang sinasabi ng Surah 18:86 na ang araw ay lumulubog sa maputik na bukal, di po ba?
Ngayon, ang sinasabi po ng Muslim ay nagkamali lang ang MAN o TAO sa pagtingin. Inakala lang daw ng MAN na sa maputik na bukal lumulubog ang araw, tulad ng sabi sa Surah 18:86.
Ang pagkakamali raw na iyan ng tao ang nakasulat sa Surah 18:86.
Pero teka, sabi po ng mga Muslim ay salita ng Diyos ang Quran. Ngayon ay sinasabi nitong Muslim na salita lang ng tao ang Quran.
Ang mas masakit ay sinasabi ng Muslim na ang pagkakamali ng TAO sa pagtingin kung saan lumulubog ang araw ay kasama na rin sa Quran.
Muslim po ang nagpapakita na hindi salita ng Diyos ang Quran.
Muslim po ang nagpapakita na ang pagkakamali ng tao ay nakasulat sa Quran.
Ibig sabihin, pinapakita ng Muslim na may mga pagkakamali sa Quran.
Yan po ang sabi ng Muslim. Maniwala po tayo sa Muslim dahil aklat nila ang Quran.
Salamat po.
Paulit-ulit po ang Muslim sa mali niyang unawa sa Galacia 5:2-4 kung saan sinasabi ni Pablo na ang mga Kristiyano ay hindi dapat magpasakop sa tuli ng mga Hudyo.
DeleteHindi po talaga sakop ng tuli ng Hudyo ang mga Kristiyano.
Pero bakit nagpapatuli ang mga Kristiyano, partikular ang mga Pilipinong Katoliko?
Dahil po ang tuli ay bahagi ng kaugaliang Pilipino. Yan ang sinusunod ng mga Katoliko, hindi ang aral ng Hudyo.
Sa kaugaliang Pilipino, ang pagtutuli ay tanda ng pagiging binata. Bahagi yan ng kulturang Pilipino. Hindi yan bahagi ng relihiyon at lalong hindi bahagi ng aral ng Hudyo.
Desperado lang masyado ang mga Muslim dahil walang maipintas sa mga Kristiyano kaya pati ang kaugaliang Pilipino sa pagtutuli ay pilit nilang sinasabi na aral ng Hudyo.
Unawain na lang po natin sila. Wala na po talaga silang maipintas sa mga Katoliko at Kristiyano e.
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ReplyDeleteANG PAGTATANONG NG ISANG MUSLIM KAY CENON BIBE!!!
Cenon Bibe - Di naman kami tulad nyo na nakiki-Hudyo kahit jindi kasama sa Tuli. Hahaha
Tanga-tangahan na lang kayo, di ba? Hahaha
Muslim - Oy nagsalita ang nakiki-Israel right from your own stupid mouth! kong may NAKIKI man dito brod ikaw yon GagO ka! hindi mo pinag iisipan mga sinasabi mong tarantado ka1 b
akit si Kristo ba naoarito para sayo? BobO mo salita o pahayag mismo ni Kristo at ng Bibliya ninyo
ang nagpahayag at nagpatotoo na sya ay naparito para lamang sa mga taga Israel o hudyo! Oh ngayon bakit ka nakiki-Kristyan hudyo ka bang gagO ka!?
Ganon pa man ang pagtutuli ay isang COVENANT between God and Man
ito basa:
Gen 17:
9 And God said to Abraham, “As for you, you shall keep my covenant, you and your offspring after you throughout their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised.
11 You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you.
SALIN SA TAGALOG ng MAUNAWAAN mo CENON,
9 Sinabi pa ng Diyos kay Abraham, “Ikaw at ang lahat ng susunod mong salinlahi ay dapat maging tapat sa ating kasunduan.
10 Ganito ang inyong gagawin: lahat ng lalaki sa inyo ay tutuliin,
11 at iyan ang magiging palatandaan ng ating tipan.
Gen 17:
26 In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised, and Ishmael his son.
27 And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him.
SALIN SA TAGALOG ng MAUNAWAAN mo CENON,
26 Tinuli sila 'Abraham at Ishmael kanyang anak' sa parehong araw,
27 at noon ding araw na iyon tinuli ang kanyang mga alipin.
So malinaw po na ang pagtutuli ay hindi lamang exclusibo sa kanila bagkus ito ay ipinapatutupad sa lahat na kalalakihan at sa kanilang salinlahi at kasama na pati mga Alipin dahil ito ay COVENANT Tipan ng Dios at Tao na dapat isinasagawa ng Tao bilang pagkilala at pagsunod sa Dios!
Nagpupumilit po ang Muslim na kasama sila sa tuli o tipan ng Diyos sa angkan ni Abraham.
DeleteSinipi pa ng Muslim ang Genesis 17 kung saan iniutos ng Diyos ang pagtutuli sa lahi ni Abraham.
Pero pansinin ninyo na pinili lang ng Muslim ang mga talatang babasahin. Nilaktawan niya ang ilang talata.
Bakit?
Dahil sa mga talatang nilaktawan -- at sinusubukang itago ng Muslim -- ay malinaw na mababasa na hindi kasama ang mga Muslim sa tipan ng tuli.
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Ang pag-angkin ng mga Muslim sa tuli ay nakaugat sa "lolo" nilang si Ismael, ang anak ng aliping si Hagar.
Ayon sa mga Muslim, tinuli ni Abraham si Ismael kaya kasama si Ismael -- at ang mga Muslim -- sa tipan ng tuli.
Mali po.
Ayon mismo sa Diyos ay hindi kasama sa Kanyang tipan si Ismael.
Sa Gen 17:18-21 ay mababasa natin:
"And Abraham said to God, "O that Ishmael might live in your sight!"
"God said, "No,
"but your wife Sarah shall bear you a son, and you shall name him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his offspring after him.
"As for Ishmael, I have heard you; I will bless him and make him fruitful and exceedingly numerous; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.
"But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this season next year."
Ayun. Malinaw sa Gen. 17:18 na nakiusap si Abraham na ituring ng Diyos na "buhay" si Ismael sa Kanyang paningin.
Kung buhay po kasi si Ismael sa mga mata ng Diyos ay patunay iyon na kinikilala ng Diyos si Ismael bilang anak ni Abraham. Ibig sabihin din na kasama sa tipan si Ismael.
Ano po ang sagot ng Diyos sa pakiusap ni Abraham na kilalanin si Ismael?
Ang sabi ng Diyos ay "No" o "Hindi."
Ibig sabihin, hindi kinilala ng Diyos si Ismael. At para sa Diyos ay patay si Ismael bilang anak ni Abraham.
Ngayon, kung hindi kinilala ng Diyos si Ismael ay hindi siya kasama sa tipan ng tuli.
At kung hindi kasama si Ismael sa tipan ng tuli, ay malinaw na hindi kasama ang mga Muslim sa pagtutuli.
Klaro po yan.
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Ngayon, heto po ang mas malinaw.
Ayon sa Diyos ay kanino matutupad ang tipan Niya kay Abraham?
Kay Isaac po na ayon sa Gen. 22:2 ay itinuring ng Diyos bilang "nag-iisang anak" ni Abraham.
Gen. 17:19 ay sinabi ng Diyos:
"your wife Sarah shall bear you a son, and you shall name him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his offspring after him."
Kay Isaac at sa mga anak ni Isaac natupad ang tipan.
Si Ismael ay hindi anak ni Isaac kaya muli ay hindi siya kasama sa tipan ng tuli.
Desperado na lang talaga ang mga Muslim na isiksik ang mga sarili nila sa tipan ng Diyos kay Abraham. Kung wala po kasi ang tipan na yan ay wala nang saysay ang tuli nila. Wala na ring saysay ang kanilang pagiging Muslim.
Kaawaan na lang po natin sila.
PALITABN SA PAGITAN NG MUSLIM @ SI CENON BIBE HINGGIL SA PAHAYAG NI KRISTO SA JOHN 16:12-13
ReplyDeleteCenon Bibe - Jn 16.13. Spirit yan. Hindi spirit ang propeta nyo.
Muslim - (Basahin at unawain mo tarantado ka itong talata na ito! 1John 4:1-3 kong spirit yan ayon sa katangahan mo bakit sasabihin ni Kristo ang ganito sa John 16:7 bakit hindi nya ba alam na Old Testament time pa ay nandirito na ang Spirit? Hindi nya rin ba alam na noong binabautismuhan sya nandoroon din ang Spirit? Hindi nya rin ba alam na sa kanyang Ministry ay katulong at katuwang nya ang parehong Spirit? Bakit tila walang alam si Kristo hinggil sa spirit na ito at sabihin nya ang pahayag na ito sa John 16:7 nagka-amnisia kaya sya Cenon? at kaya sinasabi nya ito sa kanyang mga alagad
& I quote John 16:7
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you;_ _ _"
Now if we are talking about the same spirit here malaking BLUNDER itong pahayag na ito ni kristo sa Bibliya John 16:7 if Jesus is refering to the same spirit whom in all his ministry was helping him! Nilinlang kayo si Kristo patungkol sa totoong darating! NaGagO kayo!)
TALAKAYAN SA PAGITAN NG MUSLIM @ SI CENON BIBE HINGGIL SA PAHAYAG NI KRISTO SA JOHN 16:12-13 @ 7
ReplyDeleteCenon Bibe - Jn 16.13. Spirit yan. Hindi spirit ang propeta nyo.
Muslim - (Basahin at unawain mo tarantado ka itong talata na ito! tigas talaga ng mukha mo eh nakaka high blood ka 1John 4:1-3 kong spirit yan ayon sa katangahan mo bakit sasabihin ni Kristo ang ganito sa John 16:7 bakit hindi nya ba alam na Old Testament time pa ay nandirito na ang Spirit? Hindi nya rin ba alam na noong binabautismuhan sya nandoroon din ang Spirit? Hindi nya rin ba alam na sa kanyang Ministry ay katulong at katuwang nya ang parehong Spirit? Bakit tila walang alam si Kristo hinggil sa spirit na ito at sabihin nya ang pahayag na ito sa John 16:7 nagka-amnisia kaya sya Cenon? at kaya sinasabi nya ito sa kanyang mga alagad
& I quote John 16:7
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you;_ _ _"
Now if we are talking about the same spirit here malaking BLUNDER itong pahayag na ito ni kristo sa Bibliya John 16:7 if Jesus is refering to the same spirit whom in all his ministry was helping him! Nilinlang kayo si Kristo patungkol sa totoong darating! NaGagO kayo!)
TALAKAYAN SA PAGITAN NG MUSLIM @ SI CENON BIBE HINGGIL SA PAHAYAG NI KRISTO SA JOHN 16:12-13 @ 7
ReplyDeleteCenon Bibe - Jn 16.13. Spirit yan. Hindi spirit ang propeta nyo.
Muslim - (Basahin at unawain mo tarantado ka itong talata na ito! tigas talaga ng mukha mo eh nakaka high blood ka 1John 4:1-3 kong spirit yan ayon sa katangahan mo bakit sasabihin ni Kristo ang ganito sa John 16:7 bakit hindi nya ba alam na Old Testament time pa ay nandirito na ang Spirit? Hindi nya rin ba alam na noong binabautismuhan sya nandoroon din ang Spirit? Hindi nya rin ba alam na sa kanyang Ministry ay katulong at katuwang nya ang parehong Spirit? Bakit tila walang alam si Kristo hinggil sa spirit na ito at sabihin nya ang pahayag na ito sa John 16:7 nagka-amnisia kaya sya Cenon? at kaya sinasabi nya ito sa kanyang mga alagad
& I quote John 16:7
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you;_ _ _"
Now if we are talking about the same spirit here malaking BLUNDER itong pahayag na ito ni kristo sa Bibliya John 16:7 if Jesus is refering to the same spirit whom in all his ministry was helping him! Nilinlang kayo si Kristo patungkol sa totoong darating! NaGagO kayo!)
TALAKAYAN NG MUSLIM AT SI CENON BIBE
ReplyDeleteCenon Bibe - Jn 16.13. Spirit yan. Hindi spirit ang propeta nyo.
Muslim -(Basahin at unawain mo tarantado ka itong talata na ito! 1John 4:1-3 kong spirit yan ayon sa katangahan mo bakit sasabihin ni Kristo ang ganito sa John 16:7 bakit hindi nya ba alam na Old Testament time pa ay nandirito na ang Spirit? Hindi nya rin ba alam na noong binabautismuhan sya nandoroon din ang Spirit? Hindi nya rin ba alam na sa kanyang Ministry ay katulong at katuwang nya ang parehong Spirit? Bakit tila walang alam si Kristo hinggil sa spirit na ito at sabihin nya ang pahayag na ito sa John 16:7 nagka-amnisia kaya sya Cenon? at kaya sinasabi nya ito sa kanyang mga alagad & I quote John 16:7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you;_ _ _" now if we are talking about the same spirit here malaking BLUNDER itong pahayag na ito ni kristo sa Bibliya John 16:7 if Jesus is refering to the same spirit whom in all his ministry was helping him! Nilinlang kayo si Kristo patungkol sa totoong darating! NaGagO kayo!)
Christians say that the Paraclete means the Holy Spirit (John 14;26). Jesus said in John 16:7-8 "If I do not go away the Paraclete will not come to you". This could not mean the Holy spirit, since the Holy spirit was said to have been there before Jesus was even born as in Luke 1:41 "Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit". Here, the Holy spirit was also present during Jesus life time. So how could this fit with the condition that Jesus must go away so that the Holy spirit will come?
ReplyDeleteyou cant no longer bear it Cenon Bibe at kaya your running away! supalpal ka sa huling post mo at kaya wala kang sagot kahit isa sa post mo na yon!
ReplyDeleteChristians have always searched for the answer to their enigma (Jesus’ nature). However, the answer is right in front of them! While there are no verses in the entire Bible where Jesus explicitly states his deity, there are verses that state his prophethood. Some Christians agree that Jesus is a prophet amongst other characteristics; yet this article examines some of the verses proving that Jesus could have only been a prophet and not God. Let’s start by examining this verse:
ReplyDeletepiki-copy paste po ang link na ito;
http://islam-kareem.blogspot.com/2013/06/jesus-biblical-prophet.html