Wednesday, October 5, 2016

Muhammad: 'He' in John 16:13 refers to a man not a spirit?

The Bible and Jesus foretold the coming of a MAN after Jesus depart.
John 16:13
Howbeit when HE, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE will guide you into all truth: for HE shall not speak of HIMself; but whatsoever HE shall hear, that shall HE speak: and HE will shew you things to come.
If you notice there are seven (7) Masculine pronoun! And all of these seven are just for a spirit? I'm sure some will disagree, for in school we were told in our English language/subject that HE stand for a man.

The Muslim is wrong

The masculine pronoun "he" is not limited to human beings.

It can also be used for God the Father, who is masculine.

And since the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the masculine God, then the Spirit is also masculine and can be referred to as "He."



The Muslim seems to believe that the masculine pronoun "He" is only used for a man or a male human being.

He also seems to believe that a spirit — like the Spirit in John 16:13 — has no gender.

If so, He is wrong on both counts.

The pronoun "He" is also used for God the Father who is a spirit (John 4:24) and is masculine (Matthew 6:9).

In many instances, the pronoun "He" is used for God the Father.


Now, the Spirit in John 16:13 is "from the Father" (John 15:26) or is the Spirit of the Father.

Now, since the Father is masculine, it is natural that His Spirit is also masculine.

And that is why in John 16:13, the masculine pronoun "He" is also used for the Spirit.

Thus, John 16:13 says of the Spirit: "But when HE, the Spirit of truth, comes, HE will guide you into all the truth; for HE will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever HE hears, HE will speak; and HE will disclose to you what is to come."

So, again, John 16:13 refers to the Holy Spirit (John 14:26) and not to the prophet of Islam.

Muslims will have to look for other texts to justify their claims about their prophet.


The Muslim says "spirits" do not have gender. That's why the masculine pronoun "he" should not be used for them.

This claim is contradicted and proven false by the Quran.

In Islam and in the Arabic language, "spirit" is "ruh." This "ruh" or "spirit" usually refers to an angel called "Gabriel" or "Jibril."

In the translation of the Quran, the "Ruh" or "Spirit" named "Jibril" is given a masculine pronoun.

An example is in Quran 19:17, where we can read:
"She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our Ruh [angel Jibril (Gabriel)], and HE appeared before her in the form of a MAN in all respects."

The SPIRIT called JIBRIL or GABRIEL is called "HE."

Moreover, when this RUH or SPIRIT appeared, the SPIRIT appeared as a MAN!

So, in Islam, a SPIRIT has gender. A SPIRIT is masculine. A SPIRIT is referred to with the masculine pronoun "HE."

This disproves the Muslim's claim that the masculine pronoun "he" can only be used for human beings.

The Quran proves that the Bible is correct in using "He" for the Spirit of Truth in John 16:13.

Thank you.


  1. All the comments I have posted in this post that he made was deleted by this loser Mr. Cenon Bibe.

    1. Sinungaling na Muslim. Dito ka ba nag-comment o dun sa isa pang post na may pamagat na "MUHAMMAD: Spirit of Truth in John 16:13?" Hindi mo nga natutulan mga sabi ni Mr. Bibe dun e. Hehe

  2. The Bible even prove in several occasion that there is Only One True God worthy of worship. as such that none else worthy of it except the only One True God.

    In the book of John Jesus teach and preach about only One True God...

    John 17:3

    3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    please read the book of Mark also

    Mark 12:29-30

    29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

    30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

    exactly the same statement in which Moses also preach and teach in his time;

    read the book of Deuteronomy

    Deuteronomy 6:4-5

    4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

    5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

    If believing in only One True God is First of all the Commandment as Jesus clearly claimed in the book of Mark 12:29-30 then it show that most of the claiming Christians if not all failed this test already?

    lets then check the Commandments given by God to Moses;

    The 10 Commandments List, Short Form

    1.You shall have no other gods before Me.

    2.You shall not make idols.

    3.You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

    4.Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

    5.Honor your father and your mother.

    6.You shall not murder.

    7.You shall not commit adultery.

    8.You shall not steal.

    9.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

    10.You shall not covet.

    So it is very clear that 'modern' Christians of today failed this test. They violated and already ignore the First of all the commandment of God in their Bible so to speak.

    This belief of God can be easily read and understood from their own Bible yet most claiming Christians reject this faith as such they have another god, a three in one god or a one in three god! contradicting what the Bible teach.

    Isaiah 43:10

    10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

    No wonder most Christians cannot understand what their own bible says simply because they themselves are already foretold in their own Bible;

    please read Psalms

    Psalm 115

    2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?

    3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

    4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.

    5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:

    6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:

    7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.

    8 They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.

  3. All my comments in this Post that he 'Mr Cenon Bibe' did was just too heavy for him, at kaya deniDelete nya ang mga ito! Mr. Cenon Bibe cannot stand by all those comments I have posted here! napapahiya na sya at kaya binubura nya ang mga ito! sapul na sapul kasi katangahan nya eh.

    1. Sinungaling na Muslim. Dito ka ba nag-comment o dun sa isa pang post na may pamagat na "MUHAMMAD: Spirit of Truth in John 16:13?" Hindi mo nga natutulan mga sabi ni Mr. Bibe dun e. Hehe

    2. yon lamang ba ang isasagot mo Cenon? ipaliwanag mo ang lahat na nasa comments na yan! magpaliwanag ka bakit three N one ang dios na pinapaniwalaan mo! sinong diablo ang nagturo sa inyo na mayroong tatlong dios? na kong saan tahasan at tuwirang sumasalungat sa aral at turo ni Kristo na nakasulat sa John 17:3.. at Isaiah 43:10...? sa makatuwid painiwala mo salungat at kontra sa turo at ara ng bibliya patungkol sa iisa at tunay na Dios!

  4. Mukhang nasasapul nito si Cenon Bibe ah at hindi sumasagot sa mga comento na nandirito?

    1. Sinungaling na Muslim. Dito ka ba nag-comment o dun sa isa pang post na may pamagat na "MUHAMMAD: Spirit of Truth in John 16:13?" Hindi mo nga natutulan mga sabi ni Mr. Bibe dun e. Hehe

  5. kahit saan dapat sinasagot ang mga comments! ano? hindi natutulan? may utak ka ba? hindi ka ba marunong magbasa at umunawa ng iyong binabasa? nagmamagaling masyado yan si Cenon wala namang alam! supot kasi ito ang turo at aral ng bibliya (basa!) Gal 5:2-4

    1. Ang tinutukoy ni Pablo sa Galatians 5:2-4 ay tuli batay sa kautusan sa mga Hudyo.

      Ang tuli sa mga Katolikong Pilipino ay batay sa kagawiran at kaugaliang Pilipino.

      Ang kaugaliang Pilipino sa pagtutuli ay hindi batay sa kautusan ng mga Hudyo.

      Ganoon lang yon kasimple.

  6. Why Islam Is Only True Religion From God
    Explanation Why Islam is The Only True Religion

    and not only that, God informed us in quran about scientific facts wich western scientists also confirmed that this info must be from God

    people in 6th century when quran was revealed from God did not have, teelscopes, microscopes, computers and amplifiers to discover such things

    copy paste or click this link;

  7. How many religions are there in the world from which to locate the "true" one?

    According to David Barrett and team, there are 19 major world religious groupings in the world which are subdivided into a total of about 10,000 distinct religions. Of the latter, there were 270 religions and para-religions which had over a half million adherents in the year 2000 CE. Within Christianity, they have identified 34,000 separate groups (denominations, sects, individual unaffiliated churches, para-church groups, etc) in the world. "Over half of them are independent churches that are not interested in linking with the big denominations." 1

    Even considering a single religion, Christianity, within a single country, there are often thousands of individual "Christian confessions and denominations." For example, Barrett et al. states that there are:

    4,684 groups in the U.S.
    3,364 in South Africa.
    2,079 in Nigeria.
    1,581 in Brazil.
    1,327 in South-central Asia.
    Among other English-speaking countries, there are:

    828 groups in the UK.
    469 in Canada.
    267 in Australia
    175 in New Zealand. 2

    Differences in the beliefs and practices of various faith groups:

    Probably the one area where religions differ the most is over the nature of deity. Various groups teach Agnosticism, Animism, Atheism, Strong Atheism, Deism, Duotheism, Henotheism, Monism, Monotheism, Panentheism, Pantheism, Polytheism, the Trinity, and probably some others that we have missed. More details.

    Perhaps the next greatest range of beliefs are about the fate of people after death: whether there is simple annihilation, some form of energy-less existence as taught by the ancient Hebrews, Purgatory as taught by the Roman Catholic Church, Heaven or Paradise as taught by many religions, Hell which is also taught by many faiths, Limbo, reincarnation, transmigration of the soul, nirvana, an alternative world much like Earth, and probably some other places or states that we have missed.

    There is also a great range of beliefs and practices among different religions over other theological beliefs, ritual, organization, family structure, personal sexual behavior, and other topics. For example, differences exist on matters such as: abortion access, adult celibacy, animal sacrifices. appearance factors (shaving, jewelry), birth control usage, calendar, clergy celibacy, clergy gender, clergy organization, meeting day, documentation, family power sharing, family types, gender of deities, homosexual rights, meeting place, nature of deities, nature of humanity, new year date, number of deities, origin of the universe, prayer, pre-marital sex, role of women, sacred texts, suicide, surgical modifications to the body, special clothing, symbols, etc. More details

    To our knowledge, no two religions teach the same message or expect the same practices from their followers. One would be hard pressed to find two faith groups within the same religion which have identical teachings and practices. If a "true religion" exists, then it would probably have to be one or a few faith groups within one of the 10,000 religions. All of the other religions and faith groups would be in error.

  8. The Practice of a False Religion!

    Leviticus 26:1

    New International Version
    "Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."

    King James Bible
    Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

    Exodus 20:2
    "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

    Exodus 20:4
    "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

    Exodus 23:24
    "You shall not worship their gods, nor serve them, nor do according to their deeds; but you shall utterly overthrow them and break their sacred pillars in pieces.

    Leviticus 19:4
    'Do not turn to idols or make for yourselves molten gods; I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 25:55
    'For the sons of Israel are My servants; they are My servants whom I brought out from the land of Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Ngayon papaano inuunawa ng tangang si Cenon Bible ang mga TALATA na ito ng Bibliya?

    Katulad din ng pangsalungat at pagsuway nya sa aral at turo na nasa Gal 5:2-4 wala kasing unawa sa bibliya ang taong ito na si Cenon Bibe.

    "Catholics worship statues!" People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating God’s commandment: "You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them" (Ex. 20:4–5); "Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold" (Ex. 32:31).


    The concept of original sin is completely foreign to Judaism and Eastern Christianity, having achieved acceptance in only the Western Church. Furthermore, Christian and Islamic concepts of sin are virtual opposites with respect to certain nuances. For example, there is no concept of “sinning in the mind” in Islam; to a Muslim, an evil thought becomes a good deed when a person refuses to act upon it. Overcoming and dismissing the evil thoughts which forever assail our minds is considered deserving of reward rather than punishment. Islamicly speaking, an evil thought only becomes sinful when acted upon.

    Conceiving good deeds is more contrary to the base nature of man. Since our creation, if not bound by societal or religious restrictions, humankind has historically dined on the banquet of life with lust and abandon. The orgies of self-indulgence that have carpeted the corridors of history envelop not only individuals and small communities, but even major world powers which ate their fill of deviancy to the point of self-destruction. Sodom and Gomorrah may top most lists, but the greatest powers of the ancient world—to include the Greek, Roman and Persian empires, as well as those of Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great—certainly bear dishonorable mention. But while examples of communal decadence are innumerable, cases of individual corruption are exponentially more common.

    So, good thoughts are not always the first instinct of humankind. As such, the Islamic understanding is that the very conception of good deeds is worthy of reward, even if not acted upon. When a person actually acts upon a good thought, Allah multiplies the reward even further.

    The concept of original sin simply does not exist in Islam, and never has. For the Christian readers, the question is not whether the concept of original sin exists in present day, but whether it existed during the period of Christian origins. Specifically, did Jesus teach it?

    Apparently not. Whoever dreamt up the concept, it certainly wasn’t Jesus, for he reportedly taught,

    “Let the little children come to me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 19:14)

    We may well wonder how “for of such” could be “the kingdom of heaven” if the unbaptized are hell‑bound. Children are either born with original sin or are bound for the kingdom of heaven. The church can’t have it both ways. Ezekiel 18:20 records,

    “The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.”

    Deuteronomy 24:16 repeats the point. The objection may be raised that this is Old Testament, but it’s not older than Adam! If original sin dated from Adam and Eve, one wouldn’t find it disavowed in any scripture of any age!

    Islam teaches that each person is born in a state of spiritual purity, but upbringing and the allure of worldly pleasures may corrupt us. Nonetheless, sins are not inherited and, for that matter, not even Adam and Eve will be punished for their sins, for God has forgiven them. And how can humankind inherit something that no longer exists? No, Islamicly speaking, all of us will be judged according to our deeds, for

    “…man can have nothing but what he strives for” (Quran 53:38–39)


    “Who receives guidance, receives it for his own benefit: who goes astray does so to his own loss: no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another ...” (Quran 17:15)

    Each person will bear responsibility for his or her actions, but no infant goes to hell for being unbaptized and burdened with sin as a birthright—or should we say a birthwrong?

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    The Truth about the Concept of Original Sin

    I. Introduction

    Issues related to belief might seem to be sensitive to dread on. However, with the advances in communication and the breaking up of cultural barriers among people of various cultures, it becomes necessary that beliefs be investigated objectively and with an open mind. All concerned religious scholars and believers need to give a sympathetic ear to alternative positions or beliefs offered by people from distant cultures seeking answers to resolve or at least clarify various issues of universal nature. Especially, if such beliefs are exported to other nations side by side with all types of merchandise. As governments set quality standards on imports of all types, I think it is important to test such common values and beliefs as well. In particular, our relation with the Christian world has become so close that we both need to get acquainted with what each party has to contribute to the understanding of such pressing issues.

    Since the concept of “The Original Sin” in Christianity forms the corner stone out of which a cluster of beliefs like the godship of Jesus, crucifixion and salvation have emerged. Therefore, it singles itself out as a good candidate to be studied.

    The methodology that will be followed in this essay about “The Original Sin” involves two types of evidence. The first is to carry on the study based on all logical possibilities that would explain the truth value of “The Original Sin”. As a matter of fact, the writer heavily depended on arguments developed by Ibn Taymiyah - a thirteenth century prominent Muslim scholar. The second type of evidence used to study “The Original Sin” depended on drawing evidence from The Bible itself to reveal the truth of the concept in Christianity.

    In doing so, it is ultimately left to the readers whom God has bestowed with intellect that distinguishes them from all other creatures to ponder, analyze, evaluate then decide for themselves.

    II. Why is it important to study the concept of the Original Sin in Christianity?

    Professor Jurgen Moltmann in his book The Crucified God said:

    The death of Jesus on the cross is the center of all Christian theology ...all Christian statements about God, about creation, about sin and death have their focal point in the crucified Christ. All Christian statements about history, about the church, about future and about hope stem from the crucified Christ.

    It is prevalent that without the concept of The Original Sin there would be

    no need for crucifixion, salvation or atonement to take place. Garner led Armstrong, the Executive Vice-president and Co-Publisher of the Plain Truth (a Christian Magazine from America, which boasts a current, free world-wide circulation of 6 million copies a month), attempts to answer his own puzzle under the heading: "WAS THE RESURRECTION A HOAX?" ........

    The resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is either the supreme fact of history or a flagrant, deliberate fabrication foisted off on the followers of Christianity.

    Josh Mc Dowel (An American evangelist) said in his book The Resurrection Factor:

    I was forced to the conclusion that the resurrection of Jesus Christ is either one of the most wicked, heartless, vicious, hoaxes ever foisted upon the minds of men, or it is the most fantastic fact of history.

    With all the controversy presented above among some of the prominent American and other evangelists around the issue of crucifixion which was thought of to be necessary to atone for the Original sin, we realize the importance of investigating such a concept.

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    III. How can God be crucified to save humanity?

    Christians have exceeded all limits to relate injustice to God the Almighty. They have indeed undermined God in ways that no other nation has ever done before. In fact, they are far away from praising God or glorifying Him. They claim that when Adam (PBUH) ate from the forbidden tree, God became angry and directed punishment onto him; that punishment continued on Adam’s offspring's until the coming of Jesus (PBUH). His crucifixion was to relieve the generations after him from their forefather’s sin. Christians also claim that all the sons of Adam (PBUH) were imprisoned by Satan, even the prophets of God such as, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, et al (PBUT).

    On the other hand, let us see what the Qur'an says about these respected prophets: (6: 84-86)

    “We gave him Isaac and Jacob: All (three) We guided: And before him, We guided Noah, And among his progeny, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron: Thus do We reward Those who do good (84) And Zakariya and John, And Jesus and Elias: All in the ranks of the Righteous (85) And Ismail, and Elisha, and Jonas, and Lot: And to all We gave favour above the nations(86).”

    We know that Abraham’s father was a nonbeliever and God did not punish Abraham (PBUH) for his father’s grave sin. Why would God hold him responsible for his forefather's (Adam’s) sin? This is, if we assume that Adam did not repent. However, God has declared that he has repented and was granted forgiveness by Him. This is what Allah the Almighty says about Adam (PBUH): (2:37)

    “Then received Adam from his Lord certain words and his Lord repented him; for He Is The Oft-Repenting, The Bestower of Mercy”. (2:37)

    The Christians have gone out of their way to claim that it was through crucifixion, which is one of the grave sins, that God has saved Adam (PBUH) and his offspring's from hell fire. They also claim that it was through crucifixion that God was able to trick Satan, not withstanding the fact that Satan disobeyed God and deserved punishment since the time he refused to prostrate to Adam (PBUH) and he misled him to commit the sin. In fact, God had the ability to punish Satan long before the coming of Jesus (PBUH). Thus, one cannot help but to question the assumption as to why the sons of Adam are to be held accountable for their forefather’s mistake.

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    As a matter of fact, the life of Jesus (PBUH) is much involved in mystery, and indeed the greater part of his private life, except the three main years of his ministry. It is not profitable to discuss the many doubts and conjectures among the early Christian sects and among Muslim scholars. The Orthodox Christian Church make it a cardinal point of their doctrine that his life was taken on the cross, that he died and and was buried, that on the third day he rose in body with his wounds intact, and walked about and conversed, and ate with his disciples, and was afterwards taken up bodily to heaven. This is necessary for the theological doctrine of blood sacrifice and vicarious atonement for sins including the innate Original Sin, which is rejected by Islam. However, some of the early Christian sects rejected the doctrine that Jesus was killed on the cross. Deedat in his book Crucifixion or Crucifiction (PP. 19-38) has provided numerous references to the falsity of this concept. He drew most of his evidence from the Bible and other writings by Christian authorities.

    The issue of crucifixion, as presented in Christianity, only strengthens the claims of the Jews that they were behind the crucifixion of Jesus (PBUH), that was never true. Instead, let’s contemplate on what the Qur’an says about the issue of crucifixion:

    “And due to their breaking their covenant, and their rejection of the Signs Of Allah, and their slaying the prophets injustly, and their saying ‘Our hearts are sealed’ No ! Rather Allah hath imprinted upon their hearts due to their denial therefore they believe but a little (155) And due to their denial, and their saying about Mary great blasphemy (156) And their saying ‘We killed the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’ but they killed him not, Nor did they crucify him. Only a likeness of that was shown to them. And those who differed about it are in doubt of it; they have no knowledge of it, only conjecture to follow, and with certainty they did not kill him. Rather Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Ever-Powerful, Ever-Wise. And there is not one of the people of the book except that he will believe in him before his death, and on the day of Judgement he will be a witness against them.” (4:155-159)

    In the Qur'anic verses above, there is a catalogue of iniquities of which the Jews were guilty, and for these iniquities we must understand some such words as: They are under divine displeasure”.

    Their (the Jews) iniquities were: (1) they broke their Covenant; (2) they rejected Allah’s guidance as conveyed by His messengers; (3) they killed Allah’s messengers and incurred a double guilt which included murder and that of deliberate defiance of Allah’s law; and (4) they imagined themselves arrogantly self-sufficient, which means a blasphemous closing of their hearts forever against the admission of Allah’s grace. Then begins another series of iniquities from a different point of view: (1) that they rejected faith; (2) that they made false charges against a godly woman like Mary, who was chosen by Allah to be the mother of Jesus; (3) that they boasted of having killed Jesus when they were victims of their own self-hallucination; (4) that they hindered people from Allah’s way; and (5) that by means of usury and fraud they oppressed their fellow-men.

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    The false charge against Mary was that she was unchaste. Such a charge is bad enough to make against any women, how about Mary the mother of the prophet of Allah, Jesus (PBUH). They rejected his message from the beginning by ridiculing Allah’s power through his extraordinary birth (see The Qur’an 17: 27-28) . Chastity of women is highly respected because it is an essential aspect of their dignity and honor that nobody may doubt without strong evidence which is four eye witnesses that she has committed an unchaste act. If a person fails to do so, that person will be flogged with eighty lashes and debarred from being a competent witness. (See the verse that talks about this in The Qur’an 24:4)

    Other sects of Christianity like the Basilidans rejected the issue of crucifixion of Jesus (PBUH) and believed that some one else was substituted for him. The Docetae (another sect of Christians) held that Christ never had a real physical or natural body, but only an apparent or phantom body. The gospel of St. Barnabas supported the theory that Christ was substituted on the cross.

    Moreover, the Christians say that Christ (PBUH) was a man and a god at the same time. He purposely allowed the unbelievers to crucify him; so Jesus (god to them) would trick Satan. They claim that Jesus concealed his identity as god, so Satan would not know him. They say that he allowed his foes to take him, beat him up and spit on his face. According to them, he also allotted them to crucify him and put the thorns on his head; and showed the fear of death. Then, he started saying:

    " Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachtani? which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46).

    So, the Devil will not know that he is “God” or "the son of God”. Satan wants to take his soul to hell fire as he did to Noah, Abraham, Moses and other prophets (PBUT) and believers. Therefore, God will argue against Satan by saying, “ For what reason did you take my soul?” Satan would reply, “ Because of your sin”. Then god's human side would reply: “ I have no sins like other prophets. They had sins by which they deserve that their souls be thrown in hell fire.” They (the Christians) also say that this way God was able to establish a pretext (evidence) on Satan. Therefore, it became permissible for god to punish Satan and save the children of Adam from Hell-fire.

    Such claims are full of falsity in relating injustice to God the Almighty. Who dares to speak about God in such away? This has indeed terribly rebuked the knowledge of God, His wisdom and justice in an unprecedented manner. God says:

    “Say: ‘if the ocean were supply (Ink) for the words of my Lord the ocean would run out before the words of my Lord would run out, and even were we to bring the same supply as it with it’ ”. (Qur’an 18:109)

    We will go through testing these claims in a logically organized manner from several angels.

    If we accept that Jesus (PBUH) was saying "Eloi ... Eloi ... lima shabachtani ?” and he was not telling the truth but just doing so just to deceive Satan. He, then, is accused of lying. Thus Muslims believe that a prophet of God will never lie, since all the prophets of God are infallible. The only other alternative is that Jesus (PBUH) did not know that he was the “son of God” and this is absolutely out of the question. Therefore, we are left with the third, and most probable option which is that Jesus (PBUH) was a man.

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    IV. What is the real nature of Christ (PBUH)?

    If Satan has taken the children of Adam for their father’s sin, then there is no difference between the human nature of Christ and other humans. There are many

    places in the Bible where Jesus (PBUH) said that he was (or referred to himself as) the son of man among which:

    a. " Come to see, a man who told me everything I ever did.. ( John 4:29)

    b. " Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, Which God did by him in the midst of you, as you yourselves also know.” (Acts 2:22)

    In fact, Jesus (PBUH) was never quoted in the Bible as saying that he was the son of God. In addition to the fact that other prophets of God were referred to in the Bible as the son of God as in; (Psalms 2: 7) where David was referred to as the son of God;

    " He said to me, “you are my Son; today I have become your Father”

    Why is not David (PBUH) considered “a son of God” also in the same way as Jesus (PBUH) has been perceived?

    V. What is the fate of Adam’s (PBUH) progeny?

    If they say that the generations of people after Christ were like those who came before him; how can it be that Satan was allowed to take hold of the previous generations but not the latter ones when they are equally related to Adam (PBUH)? They have also committed greater sins than those of the prophets of God before them. How come Satan was given the chance to punish the preceding prophets to Jesus and relieving tyrants and unbelievers proceeding Jesus (PBUH) from punishment?

    VI. Who gave Satan the Authority?

    The claim that Satan was allowed to drive the children of Adam into hell could only have one of the following two entailments; either that what Satan did represents injustice committed on his part against the offspring of Adam, or that it is an act of justice.

    If such an action is justice, then Satan shouldn’t be blamed, and there would be no excuse for Christ to prevent him from carrying out justice. Furthermore Satan should be granted the opportunity to take hold of both those before, and those after Jesus (PBUH).
    If this action is injustice on the part of Satan, yet God did not prevent him from doing it before the coming of Christ then we are faced with one of two conclusions; either God was incapable – I declare His remoteness from such a claim – of preventing such an injustice; or He was able to stop it but He did not, then it was right not to prevent it. If it is right not to prevent it at one time then it is right not to prevent it at all times; likewise if it is wrong at one time then it is wrong at all times.
    VII. Should Satan be punished?

    If Satan had been excused to take people to hell before Christ came because of their father’s sin, then there is no need to persecute or even blame him. If Satan was not excused then there is no need to deceive him by holding him responsible for his crimes, because he deserved persecution.

    If Jesus (PBUH) did not establish evidence on Satan before crucifixion and he did not crucify him, Satan could say that he did not know that this man represented the human side of God; and God had permitted him to take the children of Adam to hell. This (Jesus) was one of them. I had no knowledge that you had been incarnated with him. Had I known that, I would have glorified him. Therefore, I am excused in doing that, so do not practice injustice against me.

    We could assume that Satan might say therein; “Oh my God! this is the only human that I have mistakenly taken his soul. However, I have the right to take the souls of people after him (Christ) as I had it before him, due to either their father’s sin or their own sins”. If what the Christians say is true, then God would need another pretext to hold Satan responsible for what he has done.

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    VIII. Was Satan given permission to deceive?

    If we say that Adam (PBUH) has committed a sin and his children have also committed sins through Satan’s deception, then is it up to God or Satan to punish them for their sins? If we think that any reasonable person would say that Satan has the right to deceive the children of Adam, then will he be granted the authority to persecute them all without God’s permission?? Is not this claim borrowed from the Magians who say that every evil sin and persecution for it is carried out by the Satan? God has nothing to do with these things. He does not persecute anybody for the sins that he or she has committed. No doubt that such beliefs have found their way into Christianity from Magianism. Therefore, there is no evidence to support these claims, neither from the revealed books nor from any of the disciples. So, the Marinates sect of Christianity is basically a combination of Mazdasim and Christianity. Their leader “Mani” was a Magian-Christian. Indeed, the relationship between the two religions is very strong.

    Has Satan persecuted the children of Adam and sent them to hell with or without the permission of God? If they believe that it was with the permission of God, then Satan does not deserve to be persecuted; if it was not with the permission of God, then is it fair to say that God would allow Satan to practice such injustice? If this were allowed by God to happen at one time, then it would be allowed at all times, and vice versa. There is no difference between the time before Jesus and the time after him.

    IX. Could not God stop Satan?

    Could God stop Satan and persecute him without this scheme (God’s incarnation in a human form, in the character of Jesus as claimed by Christians to deceive Satan and made him think that (Christ) was a man), and would it be right for God to do so? If the answer is yes, then God does not need to plot a scheme to deceive Satan and crucify Himself or “His son, Jesus”. Was it an obligation upon God to practice justice on Satan by stopping him from his mischievous acts? If it were not, then Satan would be permitted to operate his evil doings at all times since there is no difference between one time and another. If the Christians claimed that God was incapable of stopping Satan, then they would be accusing God of being weak (powerless) to restrain Satan. Such a perception of God is considered by all religions as the worst type of disbelief. Such a conclusion is similar to the atheists’ claim that light could not prevent the world from evil.

    X. Did God allow crucifixion of Jesus?

    How about what the disbelieving Jews have done to Christ (PBUH), by helping the Roman soldiers, as claimed, to crucify him (according to the Christian belief)? (See Matthew 26: 47-75) Were they obeying or disobeying God by doing so? If they were obeying God, then the Jews who crucified Christ (PBUH) deserve a reward from God for their obedience, just like any other obeying believers. In fact, nearly all Christians agree that the Jews were the greatest sinners among men and the worst creatures of God. Not only that, but they also curse them and would go on to the extent of permitting the shedding of their blood.

    They have designated a time to persecute the Jews at the last days of their fasting to commemorate the days of crucifixion. Moreover, if those Jews were disobedient, could not God prevent them from crucifying Christ? If God could not, then He would not be able to prevent Satan from oppressing the coming generations. If God could prevent people from committing sins and He did not, then He was able to stop Satan with no need for such a scheme to deceive him.

    On the other hand, if the act of crucifixion were approved by God, then it would be alright to give Satan the ability to oppress the children of Adam (PBUH) in the past and in the future. Therefore, there would have been no need for God to deceive Satan.

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    By now, we have come to realize that there is no doubt that any mature person will recognize the corruption that has come to Christianity. The purpose here is to explain some of the discrepancies that they have as excuses for themselves in order not to accept believing in Allah, in His book (The Qur’an), in His Prophet (Mohammed (PBUH)) and in His religion (Al-Islam). Allah is just and does not order people to believe in or do what they can not. God, praise be to Him, has never asked people for anything that is beyond their ability. It is unfortunate that Christians continue to attribute unspeakable injustice to God. No believer has ever done so before.

    XI. How does Islam view man?

    Every human being, Islam affirms, stands to benefit from these divine dispensations. The road to felicity is a free and open highway which anyone may tread of his own accord. Everybody is innately endowed with all these rights and privileges. God has granted them to all without discrimination. “Nature”, “the earth”, "the heavens” - all belong to each and every human.

    Indeed, God has done all this and even more! He has implanted His own religion (Fitrah) into every human birth. The true religion is innate, with which all humans are equipped.

    Behind the dazzling religious diversity of mankind stands an innate religion inseparable from human nature. This is the primordial religion, Ur-religion, the one and only true religion.

    “The religion with Allah is Islam: Nor did the People of the Book differ except after the knowledge had come to them out of greed [and jealousy] between them; and whoever denies the signs of Allah, Allah is certainly swift in calling to account”. (Qur’an 3:19).

    Everyone possesses it unless acculturation and indoctrination, misguidance, corruption or dissuasion have taught him otherwise. Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) said:" Every newborn child is born on the innate nature (Islam: complete surrender to Allah). Then his parents change him into Judaism, Christianity or Magianism.

    Finally, Islam entertains no idea of "the fall of man”, no concept of “original sin”. It holds no man to stand in an innate, necessary predicament out of which he can not pull himself. Man, it holds, is innocent. He is born with his innocence. Indeed, he is born with a thousand given perfections, with faculties of understanding, and an innate sense with which to know the true God. In this all men are equal, since it follows from their very existence, from their creation. This is the basis for Islamic Universalism.

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    XII. Conclusion.

    To summarize, this paper presents some of the possible logical arguments concerning the idea of the "Original Sin” as the most important belief in Christianity on which beliefs like crucifixion and salvation have been built. We conclude by summarizing all the logical possibilities in regard to Christian beliefs around the idea of “The Original Sin”;

    The first position assumes that God does what ever He wants with no wisdom, rationality or justice. Just like what the determinists say.
    The second position assumes that God performs justice which is required of people (using people's standards); as it is the claim of the fatalists.
    The third position assumes that God is All Just and He is free from committing all forms of injustice. However, His justice differs from that of His creation.
    Based on the three assumptions mentioned above, we will examine the Christians’ belief regarding the idea of the "Original Sin", the Crucifixion of Christ (PBUH) and putting Satan in charge of taking his soul. Therefore, three arguments will be advanced to account for these claims.

    If we follow the first assumption, then God has the right to give Satan power over the children of Adam and persecute them all without any sin that they might have committed. So, there is no need to scheme a pretext for Satan.
    If we take the second assumption into consideration, we know if one realizes that one of his servants had commanded another person to commit a sin that the master dislikes, it would be just for him to persecute both the one who commanded and the one who obeyed. It would not be just to empower the unjust (the commanding one) to punish the commanded one. It is not just either to empower the unjust commander to transgress against the offspring of the commanded one who did not participate in their father’s sin. If we say that he has the right to enslave them because their father had obeyed him, then he should have the right to hold the ancestors and the offspring accountable. Therefore, it is not right to withdraw his right by deceiving him. If he has the right to hold them responsible for their father’s sins, then he is free to punish them both, the forefathers and the offsprings.

    If it is said that after Satan had taken the human side of Jesus (PBUH), he was then prevented from taking Adam’s progeny thereafter. If it were so, this sin of Satan would be the least of all his sins, because he had not know that he (Jesus (PBUH), according to the Christian belief, was representing the human side of God. If Satan had been given the permission to enslave the offspring of a man then enslaved one thinking that he was a man but was not then this mistake would not prevent him from enslaving the rest. Thus, if Satan mistakenly took Jesus (PBUH) as a son of man, this should not prevent him from taking the rest.

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    The third assumption is that God’ Justice is not like that of His creatures’, but rather it is a characteristic of His justice in that He does not lessen the merits of anyone and does not punish anybody but for what he or she has committed. Therefore, it is not right for God to punish the children of Adam for their father’s sin. It is also not right for God to punish the prophets who have no sin, since all the prophets are infallible and innocent.
    So, If they die with no sin for which they deserve to be punished, how can they be punished after they die for their father’s sin even if we assume that he (Adam) had died insisting on his sin, although this is a false assumption. And if we also make another false assumption that the prophets have sins for which they deserve to be punished after death and the empowerment of Satan is to punish them, then people who are not prophets and came after Christ deserve punishment also. How can we accept justice that poses an illogical double standard by allowing the punishment of prophets and not punishing those who are subordinate to them.

    The idea of crucifixion as attributed to the theme of the “Original Sin” is not incompatible with only human intellect and understanding of justice, but also is contradictory to the teachings of the Bible itself. Ezekiel (18:20) reads:

    “The soul who sins is the one who will die. the son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.”

    My dear reader! After trying to explain the falsity of the idea of “the Original Sin” by using both logical arguments and supportive evidence from the Bible (the Christian Holy Book); there is no doubt that such an idea was not preached by Jesus Christ (PBUH) since it contradicts with the teachings he brought as it is clearly illustrated in the quote from Ezekiel above. If so, then ...

    Where did the idea of The Original Sin come from?

  19. Cenon Bibe - QUICK ANSWER:
    The Muslim is wrong

    The masculine pronoun "he" is not limited to human beings.

    It can also be used for God the Father, who is masculine.

    And since the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the masculine God, then the Spirit is also masculine and can be referred to as "He."


    Muslim - As I am saying that we or anybody else cannot compare God to all His Creation the Bible or your very own book stated that very clearly!

    Isaiah 45:5

    I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,

    And don't even think that God is like one among His creation, cause your thinking is not even comparable to God.

    Isaiah 55:8-9

    "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.

    As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

    Parang MOTHER EARTH lang yan Cenon Bibe eh? do you really think that this Earth were on right now is really Feminine She Her as such that we called it MOTHER? Utak mo Cenon pakiPulot baka nalagLaG brod.

    Please remember that what your reading is just a TRANSLATION Cenon.

    Allah uses masculine words for Himself. Allah is not male or female. Allah is not like His creation (now that wouldnt have made much sense if i phrased it as "Allah is not like Allah's creation").
    And as previously explained, in the English language, we tend to have to use the word He more than usual. Ahh.. be careful, dont become a radical feminist and try change the word History to Herstory.

    In A'rabic grammar there are two genders- male and female while in English there are three- male,female and neuter. If we translate the word 'huwa' it becomes either he or it and when we translate 'hiya' it becomes either she or it. Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala is beyond any gender. Some people may say when huwa means he and it and hiya means she and it then why is God using huwa if hiya and huwa both mean it as Allah says : Qul huwAllahu ahad [Say he is One and Alone]?

    Answer: In A'rabic grammar, there are certain rules and criteria for feminine gender: 1) If it is feminine in nature like ummun [mother], ukhtun [sister]. 2) If the word ends with an A'rabic word 'ta' like mirwaahatun [fan]. 3) If the word ends 'badha Alif'- an A'rabic letter. 4) Pairs of the body like yadun[hands], a'inun[eyes]. As the above criteria are not getting satisfied, by default Allah uses huwa-it. Otherwise Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala has got no gender at all.

    Allah is not like His creation. But He does refer to Himself in a masculine way. The following should answer your questions, if not, may Allah help you:
    Where Does the word "Allah" Come From? "Allah" comes from the Arabic word "elah" - (Arabic) or word E'li or E'loi in {Matthew 27:46 Mark 15:34} (Aramaic) means 'a god' or something that is worshipped. This word (elah) can be made plural, as in "aleha" and it can be male or female. "Allah" comes from "elaha" but it brings more clarification and understanding.
    Allah = Has no gender (not male and not female)
    "He" is used only out of respect and dignity - not for gender
    Allah = Always singular - Never plural
    "We" is used only as the "Royal WE" just as in English for royalty
    Allah =Means "The Only One to be Worshipped"
    Is "Allah" only for Islam and Muslims? "Allah" is the same word used by Christian and Jewish Arabs in the Bible, before Islam came.
    On page one [1] of Genesis in the Old Testament, we find the word "Allah" seventeen [17] times. (Christian Arabic Bible)

  20. Kong dios man si Kristo sya ay ang dios na hindi naparito para kay Mr. Cenon Bibe! kasi ang linaw-linaw ng pahayag mismo na nagmumula kay Kristo eh ito pakibasa at unawa po Mr. Cenon Bibe Matt 15:24

    "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

    hindi po ba na ang linaw-linaw na si Kristo ay naparito hindi para kay Mr. Cenon Bibe at iba pa na hindi mga Hudyo o Israel? pero bakit ipinagsisiksikan nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe ang sarili nya kay Kristo at tawagin pa ang kanyang sarili bilang isang Kristyano? hindi pa ba sapat na ang pahayag ni Kristo na ito, na sya ay naparito hindi para sa kanya, kay Cenon Bibe bagkus sa mga taga Israel lamang?

    Ang linaw eh at hindi lamang yan, may mahigpit pang habilin si Kristo sa kanyang mga tunay na Alagad, at ito ang kanyang sinasabi Matt 10:5-6

    " These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. but only to the people of Israel--God's lost sheep."

    Ang tanong kabilang ba itong si Cenon Bibe sa mga lost sheep of Israel na yan? Ang sagot na malinaw ay HINDI. sapagkat ipinagdidiinan din nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe (sa dahilan na takot yata sya na magpatuli) na hindi sya kabilang sa COVENANT na ito ng Dios at Tao pakibasa po Gen 17:9-11

    "God said further to Abraham, “Now as for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. “This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. “And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you"

    The above COVENANT between God and Men was totally ignored by Mr. Cenon Bibe for as according to him hindi naman daw sya Hudyo or Israel. At kaya hindi sya kabilang sa nasabing Covenant na ito! pero sa kabilang banda kanya din namang pinagpipilitan na sya daw po ay isang Kristyan sa kabila ng katutohanan na si Kristo ay naparito lamang para sa mga Israel o Hudyo. Matt 15:24

    Ganoon pa man sa pag-aangkin nitong si Mr. Cenon Bibe bilang isang Kristyano kanya din namang Sinuway Nilapastangan at tuwirang Sinalungat ang ARAL at TURO na ito ng Bibliya bilang isang Kristyano! basa: Gal 5:2-4

    "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."

    At kaya malinaw at klarong-klaro nating napapatunayan na sya ay litong-lito sa kanyang paniniwala bilang isang nagpakilalang Kristyano.

    Kaya pabayaan natin itong si Mr. Cenon Bibe na magpapaliwanag kong ano talaga ang kanyang paniniwala. dahil malinaw mula sa mga pahayag ni Kristo na sya ay naparito lamang para sa mga Israel o Hudyo at malinaw din na hindi kabilang si Mr. Cenon Bibe dyan!

    At napaptunayan din natin na sa kabila ng kanyang pagpapanggap na sya daw po ay isang Kristyano tahasan at tuwiran nya ring Sinusuway Sinasalungat ang ARAL at TURO na ito ng kanyang Bibliya! Gal 5:2-4

  21. Pope Francis and the Vatican has introduced the world to their god they been worshipping all along, Lucifer. According to Pope Francis and the Catholic Church, The Morning Star is the creator of the world and the father of Christ. He brought "light" to the human race.

    Please click or copy paste the link below for you to find it out!

  22. Mr Cenon Bibe sino ang morning star na tinutukoy dyan? according to your Catholic Church sya daw, yang morning star na yan ang Father ni Jesus! So leader mismo ng Simbahan ninyo ang nagsasabi nyan! ano tutul ka ba sa sinasabi ng lider ng Simbahan ninyo?

  23. Talakayan ng Muslim at Cenon Bibe

    Cenon Bibe - 4.82 bigay daw ng allah. Kwento lang. Hahaha

    Muslim - (Ito ang buong ayah Cenon SUPOT Bibe; Qur'an "Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions.")

    Cenon Bibe - Walang nakarinig na sinabi ng allah

    Mulim - (basa Exodus 33:20, John 1:18, 5:37 @ 1Tim 6:16 ibig mo bang sabihin na totoo ang mga katangahan at kamangmangan mo at mali ang mga talatang ito?)

    Cenon Bibe - ang quran.

    Muslim - (Ikaw na mismo nagpatunay na totoong kwento ng Dios ang Qur'an kong baga Inspired Revelation ang Qur'an. Ikaw mismo ang maysabi di ba?)

    Cenon Bibe - Hahaha Patunay na hindu salita ng Diyos.

    Muslim - ( Ang Bibliya mo Gal 5:2-4 at kaya kinontra at sinalungat mo ito Cenon na alagad ni Lucifer at ipinagpapalit sa isang Tradisyon ang aral at turo ng Bibliya na mababasa sa aklat ng Gal 5:2-4!)

    Cenon Bibe - Hahaha

  24. Talakayan ng Muslim at Cenon Bibe

    Cenon Bibe - Bibliya salita ng Diyos.

    Muslim - (Ulol huwag mong gagohin yang sarili mo bugok ang mangmang mo! Kong totoong salita ng dios ang bibliya mong GagO ka! bakit mo ito ipinagpapalit sa isang TRADISYON ang Aral at Turo ng iyong Bibliya? Gal 5:2-4 sino ang ginagagO mong tarantado ka? Ha? GagOhin mo yang pagmumukha mo Cenon! Mukhang abnormal. GagO ka ikaw nga mismo na naniniwala sa bibliya hindi sumusunos sa aral at turo ng Gal 5:2-4 sa halip tinarantado mo ang aral at turo ng bibliya at ipinagpalit mo pa ang aral at turo ng iyong bibliya sa isang TRADISYON. Alin ba ang mas mahalaga? ang Aral at Turo ng iyong pinapaniwlaang Bibliya?! o ang TRADISYON mong bobO ka? GagO ka talaga! Alin ba ang mas IMPORTANTE para sayo BobO ka? Ang aral at turo ng Bibliya? o ang Tradisyon mong hayop ka?)

    Cenon Bibe - Quran

    Muslim - (Qur'an ay sinusunod at menimemorya pa ito ng mga Muslims at kaya tunay itong salita ng Dios; basa 45:2, 55:1-2 @ 4:82 at may hamon pa ito para sa mga mangmang na katulad mo 2:23-24 sige tutulan mo Bugok ka!)

    Cenon Bibe - hindi salita ng Diyos.

    Muslim - (Maliwanag bibliya mo yon!)

    Cenon Bibe -Hahaha (tawang Lucifer lang ah?)

  25. Talakayan ng Muslim at Cenon Bibe

    Cenon Bibe - Mangmang kasi kayo.

    Muslim - (Ang mangmang at walang Utak ay ang katulad mo Cenon Bibe na kumikilala kay Lucifer bilang dios! at ang boBo at GagO Cenon ay yoong tarantado na ipingapalit ang aral at turo ng Bibliya "Gal 5:2-4" sa isang tradisyon! Yong ang mga taong nasa talampakan ang utak at wala sa kanilang ulo saksakan ng kabobohan katulad mo.)

    Cenon Bibe - Hahaha Hindi lumubog ang araw sa maputik na balon.

    Muslim - (Unawain mo ang konteksto ng buong surah bobO ka!)

    Cenon Bibe - Hahahha I-google mo.

    Muslim - (eh di i-google mo at alamin mo ng malalim kong sino talaga ang Lucifer na ito, at bakit sya kinikilalang dios ng Vatican o ng relihiyon mo?)

    Cenon Bibe - Hahaha


    Cenon Bibe - Ikaw mangmang.

    Muslim - (Ikaw ang mangmang at gagO sira ulo dahil kabilang ka sa simabahan na kumikilala kay Lucifer bilang dios! yan check mong gagO ka!)

    Cenon Bibe - Kala mo sa lucifer e demonyo lang.

    Muskim - (Kaya nga kinilala ninyo o ng simbahan ninyo na dios si Lucifer at ama pa daw si Lucifer ni Kristo? GagO! Sira ulo talaga mga naniniwala sa aral at turo na ito walang utak at bait! Si Lucifer na hinulog ng Dios ay kinikilala na dios ng simabahan ninyo? Mga sira ulo.)

    Cenon Bibe - Hahaha

    Muslim - (oi tawang Lucifer ah?)

    Cenon Bibe - Mag-google ka para di ka gaanong mangmang.

    Muslim - (Ipinadala ko na ang hinggil sa usapin kay Lucifer magbasa ka nalang bobO!)

    Cenon Bibe - Hahaha

    Muslim - (gayang-gaya si Lucifer ah? Pati tawa lucifer na lucifer talaga!)

    Cenon Bibe - Propeta nyo, quran at islam kayo nagpatunay na hindi sa Diyos.

    Muslim - (Qur'an? basa 45:2, 55:1-2 @ 4:82 at may hamon pa ito para sa mga mangmang na katulad mo 2:23-24 sige tutulan mo Bugok ka!)

    Cenon Bibe - Hahaha

    Muslim - (lucifer na lucifer talaga ah? Pati tawa! Lucifer talaga!)

    Cenon Bibe - Nganga!

    Muslim - (Nganga ang bugoK at mangmang na katulad mo Cenon walang utak!)